To think this child rapist should have got life?

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He raped a 5 year old for fucks sake, I'll never understand the sentencing for sex crimes, that girl's life is ruined, and do they really think he won't reoffend?

Surely it's much harder to get away with murder than rape?

For starters, it's effectiveness in reducing offending has not been established, particularly for the type of offender in question here. Ethically, it would certainly fit the definition of cruel and unusual punishment.

I'm not arguing chemical castration is the solution, but part of it. The day someone rapes a child they lose the right to have a sex life.... To say it constitutes "cruel and unusual" punishment shows a warped sympathy for the abuser.

Shows no sympathy.

Shows a respect for human rights.

YANBU. I dont believe pedophiles are fixable, so life should mean life. Once they have crossed the line there shouldn't be any coming back.
The death sentence for rape and child abuse just makes abusers more likely to murder their victim to shut them up.
Plus look how miserable its made Brady.

The problem is that the argument becomes about the human rights of the offender, every fucking time. All we hear is about their human rights, and in that the rights of their victims are utterly lost. Ironic isn't it, the someone can commit the most heinous of crimes, and yet all we hear is how important their rights are. What about the rights of a little girl not to be violated, permanently physically and mentally damaged by his perversions? Nope, it's all about upholding his human rights.

Avoiding cruel and unusual punishments are necessary to preserve human rights, to maintain the integrity of society in matters relating to crime and punishment, to provide sufficient balance between incarceration, rehabilitation and public safety, and to ensure the penal system is above the mentality of the mob.

To say this shows a warped sympathy for the abuser is to demonstrate and ignorant and immature attitude towards crime and punishment.

It is difficult to see why he did not get a sentence at the Ian Watkins end of the scale.

SaorAlbaGuBrath but then what are you suggesting?

That violent offenders should lose their human rights?

It's not helpful to consider the victim/offender as a unit.
They are not a unit, they are two vastly different entities.

Surely it's much harder to get away with murder than rape?

Not if you've killed the only witness.

I don't disagree with the first para of Karanaka's post but that does mean that in new this case the sentence cannot still be wrong.

But evidence has shown time and time again that sexual offenders re-offend on release from prison, ruining lives each time. Why when we know this do we continue to let it happen?

All we hear is about their human rights, and in that the rights of their victims are utterly lost.

Given that imprisoning someone takes away their normal human rights to liberty, freedom of movement, freedom of employment, and family life, manifestly that isn't the case.

YANBU! Sentences for rape and sexual crimes are ridiculously low. I've never understood how armed robbery, where no one is physically hurt, carries a longer sentence than rape.

There's another case further down on the link page, (groom who raped someone on his wedding day) it was a prolonged, planned attack and he's been sentenced to 9 years. And it's his second offence of the same nature.

I wouldn't like to see a return to capital punishment though. I don't think it works as a deterrent and mistakes can be made.

I'm suggesting that anyone who chooses (and it is a choice to act on sexual desires) to inflict their perversions on a child, should be imprisoned and not allowed near children/internet access for the rest of their natural life.

They are not the same no, but it is never, never the rights of the victims we hear about is it? You weren't talking about the rights of the victims skerry while getting angry about pp forgetting that the paedophile had human rights.

13 years is the minimum tariff and he won't be released until he satisfies the parole board that he does not present a risk the unpalatable fact is that he could have killed the kid but didn't, so he has to be sentenced lighter than a murderer.
It is nor just in prison these guys have a hard time, they often seem to fall down stairs at the police station

Virtually everyone believes that a child rapist should lose some of their human rights... presumably Ceto, Skerry et al believe that he should lose his liberty (a basic human right) for an extended period. Chemical castration is hardly more 'inhumane' than locking someone in a cell for years, and actually may be a relief to an abuser who struggles to control their base impulses.

I often wonder when people are so determined to defend the rights of offenders, why they are so determined to do so.

If you have been lucky enough not to be personally affected by a crime so heinous that it changes your view on everything then you are truly lucky, but please don't dismiss the feelings of those who have a different perspective through circumstances that were forced upon them. Bluntly you have no clue how they feel, or why.

My comments aren't based on personal experience of child abuse, but on an experience where somebody did a "life sentence", was deemed rehabilitated and went on to commit a horrific crime which cost my friend her life. So that's my perspective and I will always, always have m

Too soon! I will always have more empathy for the victims of murderers and perverts who had a choice and selfishly imposed their own wants and urges on others in the most horrific

of ways. I'm going to stop now, because my hands are shaking so much I can't bloody type properly!

Yes he won't get executed or castrated unfortuantly, but I hope he is given a hard time inside. I heard inmates do not take take too kindly to child rapists!

I often wonder when people are so determined to defend the rights of offenders, why they are so determined to do so

Because many people believe that a judicial and penal system which operates with due considerations of human rights, ethics, integrity and balances punishment and rehabilitation is worth preserving.

I believe it is no coincidence that the societies which actually implement the measures some have proposed here are often among the most violent and corrupt.

Karanka- do you think 13 years sounds like a reasonable sentence for raping a 5 year old?

Hopefully the other prisoners will take it upon themselves to inflict the horrors on him that he did to that poor little girl several times a day for the entirety of his sentence. Rapists should get life.

I don't think it is any consolation nor a consistent punishment to rely on locked up criminals to impress upon child rapists the horrors of their crimes or exact some sort of revenge for the victims.
More sentencing greater ptoection of the public upon release.