To think this child rapist should have got life?

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He raped a 5 year old for fucks sake, I'll never understand the sentencing for sex crimes, that girl's life is ruined, and do they really think he won't reoffend?

I don't want to non chemically castrate him to torture him, it's to stop him from doing it again. Also I think that he should loose the right to reproduce.

Regardless of the sentence there's no hope for someone who can do something like that.

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These crimes should always receive life wwithout parole.

If you give the same sentence for rape as for rape and murder ie life, there is no incentive for the rapist to leave the victim alive.

The problem with castration chemical or otherwise is that rape is not about sexual desire but about power and removing the ability to rape with a penis means the people who do it are likely to move to penetration with another object, as I learned on here.

I firmly believe state sponsored murder is as bad as any other but yes longer tougher prison sentences for some things are deserved. In general I believe prison should be a tool to rehabilitate but where someone has done something this awful and like this man is believed to be a repeat offender it should also be used to keep the public safe.

Child rapists should have permanent non chemical castration.

Agree... we're too humanitarian in our treatment of criminals of this type.

If you give the same sentence for rape as for rape and murder ie life, there is no incentive for the rapist to leave the victim alive.

I see this argument a lot on these threads and it just seems so bizarre. Do people who tape 5 year olds really think about "incentives"?

I hope the little girl gets all the help and TLC she needs. Poor child, what a monster.

I see the pitchfork mob are out.

I see the pitchfork mob are out.

Meaning...?

I see the rape apologists are out.

I see the rape apologists are out.

Hardly.

Talking of execution without trial, chemical castration, burning at the stake, torture is shameful.

And does not mean I condone rape.

I hate brutality in all its forms.

Engendering a climate of brutality does not stop brutality.

Execution without trial.

Agree... we're too humanitarian in our treatment of criminals of this type.

These threads are always so mature and enlightening...

"Hardly."

skerrywind How predictable

You are so reasonable aren't you.

Yet not clued in sufficiently to consider that a quite normal human response at hearing of such despicable and inexplicable crimes is to vent ones anger and express that no punishment will ever be enough for such beastly acts.

"Engendering a climate of brutality does not stop brutality". neither does giving criminals a cosy cell with internet access and TV on demand.

Well I've already said I disagree with capital punishment. I still think a discussion re sentencing for sex crimes needs to be had.

13 years? Ian Watkins from the Lost Prophets got 35 years. The difference being?

*How predictable smile

Yet not clued in sufficiently to consider that a quite normal human response at hearing of such despicable and inexplicable crimes is to vent ones anger and express that no punishment will ever be enough for such beastly acts.
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And the "String 'em up" response is so novel.

Countries that have the death penalty and states in the USA have the highest level of violent crime and rape.

It clearly isn't working.

Although I can understand why there's an argument against non-chemical castration (i.e. chop em off), I really don't understand how anyone who seriously wishes to protect children could object to chemical castration. Why don't we do this as a society?

He isn't going to be castrated.
He isn't going to be executed.

He is going to have it relatively easy inside, I do hope he gets targeted and suffers.

The sentencing is absolutely shocking, he should die inside prison, either through old age or other means. The thought that he'll be free when that girl will still be a teenager is frightening.

Victim support groups, probation experts and penal reform charities all point out that sexual violence is not just about sex, but power and control. To treat sex in isolation will not solve the underlying problem. These offenders will still have the same psychological mind set to re offend some kind of violent crime.

He did get life with a minimum tariff of NINE years! How is that life

Because the person in question will only be freed after nine years if he satisfies the parole board that there is no danger whatsoever that he will be a danger to anyone. Given his history, that is going to be very difficult indeed and I wouldn't mind betting that he will serve way over nine years.

And because, with a life sentence, when you are released you are only on licence. If you commit even a minor offence thereafter, you will be hauled back into prison immediately to serve more of the original sentence there.

I really don't understand how anyone who seriously wishes to protect children could object to chemical castration.

For starters, it's effectiveness in reducing offending has not been established, particularly for the type of offender in question here.

Ethically, it would certainly fit the definition of cruel and unusual punishment.

I see this argument a lot on these threads and it just seems so bizarre. Do people who rape 5 year olds really think about "incentives"

Well, yes. The incentive to avoid capture and imprisonment for years is a powerful incentive. At the moment the fact that, if you kill your victim, your sentence will be even heavier is an incentive not to do so. If the reality were that your sentence would be no heavier if you kill your victim, you have every reason to get rid of the strongest potential evidence against you.

"Engendering a climate of brutality does not stop brutality". neither does giving criminals a cosy cell with internet access and TV on demand

I would suggest you inform yourself about prison conditions in places like Belmarsh. Cosy they aren't.