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Mistaken identity and race

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Furchesterbaby · 28/04/2017 08:15

I know this might be a sensitive subject. I'm genuinely not wanting to cause any offence but it's something that I've wondered and wouldn't exactly feel able to speak about.

I work for a very large organisation, it's very multicultural. On a number of occasions over the years there have been incidents where two people that are black have been mixed up with one another, and it's turned quite heated and was deemed a race issue. I.e them accusing people of thinking all black people look the same.

One example was there were two guys, both were black, both had long dreads, very often new people would get them confused with one another. They were very similar in that they were the same height, both wore glasses, I knew them apart, but could see how a new person might get confused. One of the men would get very angry and once in a training session had a big rant about it and it being racist. The most significant thing in all of it was that both men had the same, fairly unusual first name, so it really could have been just mixed up surnames.

I've seen similar over the years and it's always deemed racial ignorance. It happened a few weeks ago where a young trainee was sent to ask a question, she approached the wrong person and was snapped at "I'm not X, X is the other black person".

The thing is, over the years I've regularly been mistaken for other women with the same hair colour. I worked on a team for many years with another woman, we were both red but the similarities ended there, yet we were always mixed up. There's a lady on my team now and we are the same height, hair and both wear glasses, people are always coming up to me asking if I'm this other person.

My son gets mixed up with a child at school, another boy until teachers get to know them.

So my question is aibu to think that this isn't about race?

I need to say, I'm not denying the racism and stereotyping goes on even now. I'm not trying to pretend it doesn't happen or that it's not an issue anymore. I'm not going to pretend that as a white person I can fully understand how it is to be discriminated against because of my colour. I've literally just felt at times that these things weren't about that, but I accept if there's something where I'm missing the point.

OP posts:
quencher · 28/04/2017 17:01

It's about race but not racism. Two different things.
It can be unconscious racism too because they don't factor higher on your radar.
My head teacher once turned to my best friend and said they all look like as race.

Asmoto · 28/04/2017 17:18

This thread has alarmed me - I have a terrible memory for faces and often get people mixed up. Luckily where I work we wear security tags, but if someone's isn't visible, I often get it wrong. I'm no better with my own race than I am with other races, and it's something I find very difficult and embarrassing - the people don't even have to look alike for me to get it wrong. I'm now very worried that this might be perceived as racist when it happens with non-white colleagues.

SwearySwearyQuiteContrary · 28/04/2017 17:26

Teatime I have the same thing! I can remember the most insignificant detail of where I met someone, what they were wearing, and our conversation but, for the love of God, can I put a name to any of that? NO! Even people that have been in my life for YEARS get mixed up with the dog/man next door.

prettyinpinkandgold · 28/04/2017 17:42

I am Asian and I often confuse white men. I have obviously nothing against white men. I even confuse famous white people like Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt. I'd watch a film confused.

Voice0fReason · 28/04/2017 17:56

People have acknowledged that it is not always racist.
No, several people haven't!
"Mixing up two black people is a racist micro aggression"
"Yes I do believe it's racist if your team can't differentiate between 2 black people in your team"
"the reason that white people cant make these distinctions between black people of completely different heritage is because they don't care and they haven't made themselves aware of any black history or culture"

This thread is not all about you!
I didn't say it was all about me. I was explaining that it isn't always racist, there are other reasons why people can get this wrong, and I will respond when I am being accused of being ignorant and racist because this is something I struggle with.

People need to be more careful before throwing around accusations of racism - conscious or not
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39742670

HappyFlappy · 28/04/2017 18:18

Well, I was mistaken for 'Josh' the other week as we both have long curly hair!

Felicia - I hope you gave that person a dressing down! S/he sounds very tonsorialist to me.

Grin
FeliciaJollygoodfellow · 28/04/2017 18:52
Grin
Millymoonbeam · 28/04/2017 19:15

I get mistaken for other colleague working 2 floors up. I have been told we have the same body shape and colouring. I don't get upset when this happens, I just laugh and say 'she must be very beautiful if you think she's me'. I have never seen her, maybe I should seek her out and introduce myself.

PossumInAPearTree · 28/04/2017 19:46

Just been watching The Handmaids Tale. Can tell them apart apart from the girl with one eye as they all have the same clothes.

PossumInAPearTree · 28/04/2017 19:48

Can't.

Livelovebehappy · 28/04/2017 20:08

Definition of racist; prejudice or discrimination against someone of another race, or inferring one race is more superior than another.

So no, I can't see the link in the context of this post which would suggest someone is prejudiced because they happen to get two people of the same race mixed up. Some people have a weird disjointed way of thinking.

HappyFlappy · 28/04/2017 20:28

Was it good Possum? I was fancying that film myself, but was a bit frightened in case it spoiled the book for me (book was brilliant).

PossumInAPearTree · 28/04/2017 20:37

It's a tv series rather than a film. Very good so far. Not read the book but want to now.

fliptopbin · 28/04/2017 20:55

I always get caught out when I am wearing my reading glasses at work, because everything in the distance is a blur. I am so worried about being thought of as racist for mixing people up as we are quite a multicultural office, so I have got good at avoiding using people's names.nOnce you get into the conversation it is usually pretty obvious who is who because there are lots of other cues to follow.

HappyFlappy · 28/04/2017 20:57

Always better to watch before you read, I think Possum, otherwise you find that you have pictures in your head of the characters and the casting director has cocked it all up!

Are you in the UK? Is it on Netflix or something/

WestEndVBroadway · 28/04/2017 21:06

Not quite the same but 30 years ago at my secondary school there was only myself and one other girl who were of colour. People always assumed we were sisters 'because you are both dark skinned' did I assume all the white girls were realated? That would be a no!

PossumInAPearTree · 28/04/2017 21:45

Am in the U.K., watching it online. There's a thread in telly addicts with a link.

ddssdd · 28/04/2017 22:15

Unless you're gonna mistake me for Naomi Campbell, don't bother.

And, yes, as a black woman, I have been told I look like:

Michelle Gayle
Jalelia (sp)
Neneh Cherry
Tessa Sanderson
Kelis
Kelly Rowland
Feli
Fluella Benjamin
Diane abbot (when I was preggers).

I kid you not, this shit is ridiculous & so tiresome. I work with around 20 white women, not once have I mixed any of them up..that's twenty people, not two.

Racist? no.
Ridiculous, annoying, patronising, belittling, tiresome? Yep

quencher · 28/04/2017 22:41

Michelle Gayle
Jalelia (sp)
Neneh Cherry
Tessa Sanderson
Kelis
Kelly Rowland
Feli
Fluella Benjamin
Diane abbot (when I was preggers).

This is funny 😂
Are you sure you don't mean Naomi Harris

HappyFlappy · 28/04/2017 22:47

Cheers Possum

HappyFlappy · 28/04/2017 22:52

Is this the link Possum? (Just when I clicked it my PC said it looked dodgy and I just wanted to make sure I have the right link)

www.thenationalstudent.com/TV/2017-01-13/tv_trailer_the_handmaid_s_tale.html&ved=0ahUKEwimoJrdh6vTAhUpDMAKHetEBKYQFgg7MAM&usg=AFQjCNGw5w_YGUtsZKVKxMOBXaALPuGNKw&sig2=b_iRjUTK9TfcPTPN6LNFQw

PossumInAPearTree · 28/04/2017 22:55

Just had an experiment guessing people from photos on the guardian website.

I thought Brigette Macron was Anna Wintour.
I thought zac goldsmith was Jeremy Kyle
I thought James van de beek (Dawson's creek) was the bloke from Take That....Gary.

PossumInAPearTree · 28/04/2017 22:56

happy

www.letmewatchthis.fyi/watch-2793078-The-Handmaids-Tale

SabineUndine · 28/04/2017 23:00

I used to work in a team of about 15 of which two people, both women, were black. New bloke started and immediately got raised eyebrows because he endlessly mixed them up. They looked nothing alike except for skin tone, did completely different jobs, one very outgoing, the other very introvert . . . This guy clearly wasn't making any effort. Then again move on ten years and I walked into an office and started speaking to a colleague and stopped in mid-sentence because the person I wanted to speak to had moved two desks away but the person I had approached was so similar to look at, apparently everyone had been making the same mistake all week.

So I would say it happens both ways.

ddssdd · 28/04/2017 23:08

Lol, quencher, come to think of it... Grin

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