To not understand all of this Corbyn hate

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Disclaimer – I consider myself to be an intelligent and thoughtful person but also very uninformed and ignorant of political (and other) current affairs. Largely through my own choosing – I have virtually no faith in politicians and politics at all. I realised a very long time ago that the whole thing was an elaborate farce. I’ve always spoilt my ballot until Nick Clegg won me over and then proved, unequivocally, that I was right to not trust them. I vowed never to vote again but I’m feeling stirred to this time around and have therefore been looking into it more and trying to sift through the inevitable bullshit…

So – what is so bad about Corbyn? From what I understand (do remember my disclaimer and how uninformed I am!), the main people in the Labour party hate him because he is ‘unelectable’. So they’ve wanted him out for a long time but he has refused to go, on account of the fact he has been democratically chosen by the party members to be the leader. This annoys and frustrates them and they therefore blame him for creating an enormous and damaging rift in the party. But, surely, the fact that he has been elected as leader is testament to his popularity with Labour voters? And isn’t it a good thing that he stands his ground? Especially against the kind of people who would rather have someone like Ed Milliband (or his ilk – I don’t know any ‘current’ names) as party leader? Doesn’t it show that he is principled and ‘different’ from the political norm? Isn’t this something that we need?

And what does it matter if the Labour party are in shambles (a common reason I hear for not wanting to vote for them this time)? Surely that’s because of all of the ‘unelectable’ stuff above. But if he were to be elected, I’m guessing those problems would evaporate. Because he would have been elected. And anyway, aren’t political parties often shambolic? Wasn’t May’s drastic cabinet overhaul and sackings at the beginning of her reign (not to mention the Boris/Gove thing in the leadership contest) a clear sign of an ununited, shambolic party?

I realise Corbyn isn’t to everyone’s tastes politically but if you’re left leaning and want to try and get rid of the Tories, surely he’s not such a bad bet?

I’m sorry if this is making me come across as stupid but I genuinely want to know why some people (especially those who would normally consider themselves left-wing or Labour voters) dislike him so much.

As for 'pushing the button', he said he would never issue a PRE-EMPTIVE strike, not that he wouldn't take the necessary steps to defend us if needed.

This person you're all calling a terrorist, that would be the same Jeremy Corbyn who won the international peace prize?!

Is that the Noble Peace Prize or some obscure group that no one has really heard of

You have failed to mention his little tour of ex IRA prisoners soon after the Brighton Bombing

Has anyone said he is a terrorist

People are not foolish they can see through people like Corbyn and Livingston and McDonnell nasty agitators that strangely only seem to to listen to those that oppose the governments of the west and Israel

I can't forgive him for his half hearted approach to the referendum campaign and the subsequent fall out which he completely failed to capitalise on. The Tories were in complete disarray and just when a strong opposition should have jumped in and held them to account they were bumbling around like the Chuckle Brothers.

And I hate that hat he wears that he thinks makes him look like Lenin.

I can't forgive him for his half hearted approach to the referendum campaign

Yes. And he will do the same if there is another independence referendum

I can't forgive him for his half hearted approach to the referendum campaign

If you look at what was said at the time, he campaigned more on Brexit than Alan Johnson who was the official labour campaigner, Corbyn's constituency voted to remain, Johnsons voted to leave, if you noticed the news at the time focused mainly on the tory party internal argument through out. His standpoint was that it was better to be in and change it from the inside.

the subsequent fall out which he completely failed to capitalise on.

How could he when the Blairite wing of the party decided that was the time to launch labour into another leadership race, put your blame where it deserves to be.

And his policies are simply not backed up with substantial plans Labour need to sell themselves far more than the Tories do they need to win over voters

Renationalising the railways would cost around £4.5 billion pound (without new lines/improvements)

A 1p increase in the basic rate of income tax wouls raise about £5 billion

The increase in business rates and high earners with Brexit looming other countries willing to take away business from the UK and talent

It doesn't take a genius to work out that at this point in time it's an unwise move to tax them too much

And there is the extra money to the NHS and Education and now NHS staff (that's me included) and the costs of leaving the EU

Plans that just good and are crowd pleasing are not enough to win voters over

Agree his approach to the referendum was a disgrace not sharing a platform with Cameron ridiculously pathetic and of course it is going to be bought up that he has shared platforms with terrorist supporters

FireSquirrel BUT at the time Corbyn was meeting all these terrorists, he was a backbencher. He had no powers whatsoever. When the Tories were in Government and he was meeting these people, he was not shadow defence, home or foreign secretary or a shadow minister in any of those departments. If he HAD been, then there MAY have been a arguable reason for him to "meet and talk". But he was not. Neither was he a minister in any of those departments when Labour was in Government. Neither could you by any stretch of the imagination say such chats that he had had any relevance to his work as a constituency MP.

Neither could you by any stretch of the imagination say such chats that he had had any relevance to his work as a constituency MP.

Yes how dare he wanting the killing to stop, how very dare he

Just I wanted and still want killing to stop. I have Irish relatives so what was happening in Ireland and in the UK in the 80s was very relevant. Unfortunately, little me on my own couldn't really talk to terrorists and make a difference. Similarly, nor could Corbyn. He was a backbench MP who had no ear of the Labour leadership or even most other backbenchers. A backbench MP has some power at a local level. They have very little power at national or international level unless there are many with a like mind.

You are being deliberately obtuse if you think him having a chat over a cuppa or sitting on a platform with terrorists did anything to stop terrorism or killing.

But they were more likely to talk to a member of parliament than shatnerswig, he was able to at least start an open discussion, would the GF agreement have happened anyway, probably, but at least he put himself in the position of trying something unlike a lot of the MP's that were in the HoC at the time

The most important issue in my political lifetime has been Brexit, he utterly failed to campaign effectively. It was shameful. This is the third thread that I am aware of along the lines " oh bless him why are people so awful to corbyn" so therefore I am
repeating myself, but if the referendum had happened when Blair was leader we would not be leaving the EU. I know his policies,
as do all involved in the labour party, none
of the policies detailed above are as important to me as his policies on Brexit and Syria.
People involved in the Labour party know about media bias, we have been talking about it for 30 years. It's boring in the extreme. The media is biased against the
left. So what. Did he not realize that. If you can't run a successful campaign whilst there is a right wing media you are no use to me as leader of the Labour party.

He's repeatedly said he doesn't condone the violence by the IRA

So why did Corbyn write and publish editorials calling for the IRA to bob British soldiers? Why did he vote against the Anglo-Irish agreement and campaign against the Belfast agreement?

Corbyn's being very, very loosely associated with the peace process as much as possible in the propaganda, but that doesn't mean he actually had anything to do with it. On the contrary, he was actively against it. Good job he wasn't included in the talks.

birdsdestiny He was giving plenty of rallies about staying in the EU how could he have made the media report it if they were to busy reporting the devision's in the conservative party? Alan Johnson was the official Labour In spokesman he was barely even seen campaigning.

Just That still makes no sense. Labour wasn't even in power when he spoke to the IRA, so speaking to him was pointless. He could do nothing.

There's been a few threads along this line recently. With my cynical hat on, I wonder if it's Momentum's idea of subtle campaigning?

The line about the MSM is trotted out constantly. Please can we give it a rest? The media in the UK has always been right wing. Everybody who's paid any attention to politics over the last 20 - 30 years knows this. Any leader of the LP worth their salt has to be aware of this and plan their campaign accordingly.

Back to the early 80s again isn't it folks. Landslide to tories and labour in melt down. Very sad it's happening again especially woth Brexit.

Applebite very true. Mind you Corbyns ideas are rooted in the 1970s

OP - remember that, for all his "man of the people" schtick, he has always been a career politician. The closest thing to a "real job" he has had is a union official. Don't be fooled by the "he's one of us" stuff

The following is copy pasted from my post in a Corbyn thread back in February on the Politics Board. It still holds good for me:

Where to begin? He is a shambling, useless, ineffective career politician and leader disliked by a large chunk of his own party over which he has no control. Whilst Labour were in Government he rebelled over 400 times against his own party's whip. I abhor the fact that his friends include ex-IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah, he's an Islington luvvie who has no interest in this country or its people, Labour will lose every GE whilst he is leader (actually that's good news grin ). Need I go on?

HTH

Just another potato

Universal free school meals to raise attainment is not proven. There are loads of other things that should be funded before we do this.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39504339

Using Churchill to justify the Human Rights Act is emotive. He probably wouldn't recognise it now.

Nobody should be happy about having an ineffective opposition, whatever your political persuasion. That's a very dangerous road to go down.

Another reason why I dislike JC.

Flippanada I agree completely. It is so important for our system that we have a strong and effective opposition. We just don't have that at the moment. PMQs is just one example.

Yes, he's had opportunity after opportunity and failed to deliver. And its not all "because MSM". Whatever your opinion of him, it's an undeniable fact that Trump won the US presidency without MSM support.

Thanks again for all of your thoughts/opinions etc... I seriously need to do some reading.

And again, I absolutely promise this is not some underhand 'subtle campaigning'. I actually don't know what/who Momentum are ()... more googling is needed when I get a minute!