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To not understand all of this Corbyn hate

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clevername · 25/04/2017 22:23

Disclaimer – I consider myself to be an intelligent and thoughtful person but also very uninformed and ignorant of political (and other) current affairs. Largely through my own choosing – I have virtually no faith in politicians and politics at all. I realised a very long time ago that the whole thing was an elaborate farce. I’ve always spoilt my ballot until Nick Clegg won me over and then proved, unequivocally, that I was right to not trust them. I vowed never to vote again but I’m feeling stirred to this time around and have therefore been looking into it more and trying to sift through the inevitable bullshit…

So – what is so bad about Corbyn? From what I understand (do remember my disclaimer and how uninformed I am!), the main people in the Labour party hate him because he is ‘unelectable’. So they’ve wanted him out for a long time but he has refused to go, on account of the fact he has been democratically chosen by the party members to be the leader. This annoys and frustrates them and they therefore blame him for creating an enormous and damaging rift in the party. But, surely, the fact that he has been elected as leader is testament to his popularity with Labour voters? And isn’t it a good thing that he stands his ground? Especially against the kind of people who would rather have someone like Ed Milliband (or his ilk – I don’t know any ‘current’ names) as party leader? Doesn’t it show that he is principled and ‘different’ from the political norm? Isn’t this something that we need?

And what does it matter if the Labour party are in shambles (a common reason I hear for not wanting to vote for them this time)? Surely that’s because of all of the ‘unelectable’ stuff above. But if he were to be elected, I’m guessing those problems would evaporate. Because he would have been elected. And anyway, aren’t political parties often shambolic? Wasn’t May’s drastic cabinet overhaul and sackings at the beginning of her reign (not to mention the Boris/Gove thing in the leadership contest) a clear sign of an ununited, shambolic party?

I realise Corbyn isn’t to everyone’s tastes politically but if you’re left leaning and want to try and get rid of the Tories, surely he’s not such a bad bet?

I’m sorry if this is making me come across as stupid but I genuinely want to know why some people (especially those who would normally consider themselves left-wing or Labour voters) dislike him so much.

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NoLotteryWinYet · 26/04/2017 21:10

JC has fumbled big stability things - trident, airstrikes on Isis, most people worry about these things and he's dropped the ball by not having a clear policy. Saying big business should be scared of him is foolish grandiose rhetoric. Taxing them more whilst explaining it in a positive way would be much better.

I know it's desperate for people on disability benefits, and it angers me that they're being represented by someone that the polls are showing won't win over the middle ground.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 26/04/2017 21:14

Saudi is the only country in the ME we have close connections with and we need that. In an ideal world we wouldn't deal with them but we don't live in an ideal world and we have many people's jobs relying on the sales of arms this wouldn't change under labour they couldn't afford for it to

It's what senior politicians have to do at times when then are in government deal with those we find abhorrent

Corbyn was happy to earn a nice sum of money for nothing other than giving his opinion on Iranian state TV Confused

I despise him not hate him for the damage he is doing to Labour he is incapable of running an opposition and holding the government to account and shall lose Labour more seats but this doesn't matter as long as he sticks with his political ideology.

And I do not think he is particularly intelligent and I certainly do not think he is a principled man for the many reasons mentioned

Ylvamoon · 26/04/2017 21:14

It's straight forward: the state of the Labour Party is all the proof we need for his leadership abilities.
I really don't fancy a PM where, my locally elected MP runs 1000's of miles in the other direction!

BonnieF · 26/04/2017 21:17

I don't hate Corbyn, but, as a life-long Labour voter and former party member & activist, I do hate what him and his cronies are doing to the Labour Party.

Jeremy Corbyn is not a credible candidate to be Prime minister of a G7 country, and he never will be. He is hopelessly out of his depth as Labour leader and is leading the party to a catastrophic defeat. He refused to campaign properly for Remain. He is completely incoherent when questioned about his policies.

Millions of people in this country desperately need a Labour government, and Corbyn is making sure that doesn't happen.

Railgunner1 · 26/04/2017 21:26

He seems a bit fishy to me

uglyflowers · 26/04/2017 21:26

I'm voting for Corbyn and unless you are in favour of food banks, disabled people dying or committing suicide, state schools and the NHS being deliberately run into the ground so that they can be farmed out for profit, I'd suggest you do too. A vote for the Tories is a vote for pure evil and human misery and a vote for the Lib Dems will go the same way as they haven't ruled out another coalition. Wake up people! Corbyn genuinely cares about making people's lives better.

teawamutu · 26/04/2017 21:28

This is exactly the sort of tone i was referring to.

Valentine2 · 26/04/2017 21:56

I have been reading the comments very carefully so far. I have yet o ind someone who is as completely pathetic as May et al so I will vote Labour/Lib Dem essentially.
Corbyn's stance on Trident is quite credible I think. I would do exactly what he has said he would.

And if we save money just from that, we can fund the whole set of pledges he is making I am sure.
If we can survive Brexit, we can survive Corbyn's overhaul.
Between the two, give me Corbyn over May any day.

bangingmyheadoffabrickwall · 26/04/2017 22:02

I like wishingitwaswarm 's response! Exactly to the point.

We need a STRONG leader. He is an absolute national security risk! With the threat of several worldwide conflicts looming, the threats of nuclear bombs, several nations moving frontline military personnel to key border positions, drills, nuclear fall out shelters being ordered (Japan!), chemical attacks in Syria, now is not the time to be talking about scraping the very thing that we are able to fall back on to protect our country!

He is an idealist. He lives in a fake utopia, cloud cuckoo-land. Nobody can dispute that his ideals are what people want, but quite frankly I would not want someone leading our country who has no fucking idea!

Todl DH that we'd be moving to Iceland if Labour won ....

Valentine2 · 26/04/2017 22:06

As for sharing platform with terrorists etc. , May has just been to Saudis and who else is the bigger terrorists than them? Confused
Since Corbyn is Labour right now and I can't vote Tory, my vote goes to whoever can bring Tories down, be it Labour or LibDem.

bookworm14 · 26/04/2017 22:06

He is popular with Labour Party members, not Labour voters. If he was popular with Labour voters we wouldn't be at 26% in the polls.

Valentine2 · 26/04/2017 22:11

banging
I don't think anyone is going to attack us and there is literally no new threat looming on our head that wasn't here in any other form. People did die on London streets and our police and security forces are doing an amazing job of curbing the terrorism threat. The funding of all these forces is constantly under threat while Tories are around by the way. Met Police force keeps complaining they have some really tired officers and an utter shortage of resources but May/Cameron won't budge.
Sorry, I don't think anyone is about to use a nuclear weapon on anyone right now. We might as well save our country.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/04/2017 22:12

He is popular with Labour Party members, not Labour voters

And not even all of them.

Lalsy · 26/04/2017 22:13

Valentine, I oppose Trident. But the party, the unions and the country does not. So I would not run for leader.....

Valentine2 · 26/04/2017 22:13

If he was popular with Labour voters we wouldn't be at 26% in the polls.
That's far more complicated than that. He is no messiah. But to oust the Tories, we need to vote anyone who can achieve exactly that. And I am not ready to cut my nose to spite my face.

JustifiedAncientofMooMoo · 26/04/2017 22:13

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Valentine2 · 26/04/2017 22:20

But the party, the unions and the country does not. So I would not run for leader.....
Then instead of working on talking about how that money can be used, we are focusing it on ousting somebody who is currently representing the Labour Party. You might want to change your sentence there: it's not Labour Party. It's PLP that's opposing him. PLP is trying to save their seats (I am NOT picking PLP apart here so please hold fire) and the public that votes PLP in, reads it all in the media.
I think that is where the problem lies. Corbyn and his team have had no experience of using the left wing side of the press that's barely audible anyway. And that's a very big loss. I think the discussion must keep going. But our current issue is to somehow stop Tories doing what they can to make this country as much like USA as possible. If it means voting Corbyn, I would. If it means voting LibDem, I would.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 26/04/2017 22:21

If you in favour of disabled people committing suicide vote for the evil Tories if not vote Corbyn

Hmm as Valentine2 a fellow Corbyn supporter said he isn't the messiah maybe you missed that email

Valentine2 · 26/04/2017 22:25

However JC was not being held over a barrel when he chose proudly to give such support to the work of the PIRA. Different scenario entirely.

Yeah but it's very obvious that the support of May to even the Lords of the Terrorists (Saudis) won't stop her supporters voting her in BEACAUSE these supporters think she is saving their country.
Why in the world am I supposed to not vote Corbyn using exactly the same argument. We essentially have a two party system right now. What else there is to do?

JustifiedAncientofMooMoo · 26/04/2017 22:26

I have no objection to you voting for Corbyn..

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 26/04/2017 22:27

Valentine2 do you not realise if Corbyn was PM or had been serving in the cabinet he would have to deal with the Saudi's our only ally in the ME

Corbyn had no political reason to appear on Iranian State TV giving his opinion apart from to line his own pockets

Valentine2 · 26/04/2017 22:27

enthusiasm
Eh? Confused it's hardly the weekend yet. Why are you incoherent?
What email?

Valentine2 · 26/04/2017 22:27

voting for Corbyn.
You mean voting for Labour?

JustifiedAncientofMooMoo · 26/04/2017 22:29

I was following your own words "vote Corbyn"..

JustifiedAncientofMooMoo · 26/04/2017 22:29

echoing rather than following, sorry.

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