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To not understand all of this Corbyn hate

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clevername · 25/04/2017 22:23

Disclaimer – I consider myself to be an intelligent and thoughtful person but also very uninformed and ignorant of political (and other) current affairs. Largely through my own choosing – I have virtually no faith in politicians and politics at all. I realised a very long time ago that the whole thing was an elaborate farce. I’ve always spoilt my ballot until Nick Clegg won me over and then proved, unequivocally, that I was right to not trust them. I vowed never to vote again but I’m feeling stirred to this time around and have therefore been looking into it more and trying to sift through the inevitable bullshit…

So – what is so bad about Corbyn? From what I understand (do remember my disclaimer and how uninformed I am!), the main people in the Labour party hate him because he is ‘unelectable’. So they’ve wanted him out for a long time but he has refused to go, on account of the fact he has been democratically chosen by the party members to be the leader. This annoys and frustrates them and they therefore blame him for creating an enormous and damaging rift in the party. But, surely, the fact that he has been elected as leader is testament to his popularity with Labour voters? And isn’t it a good thing that he stands his ground? Especially against the kind of people who would rather have someone like Ed Milliband (or his ilk – I don’t know any ‘current’ names) as party leader? Doesn’t it show that he is principled and ‘different’ from the political norm? Isn’t this something that we need?

And what does it matter if the Labour party are in shambles (a common reason I hear for not wanting to vote for them this time)? Surely that’s because of all of the ‘unelectable’ stuff above. But if he were to be elected, I’m guessing those problems would evaporate. Because he would have been elected. And anyway, aren’t political parties often shambolic? Wasn’t May’s drastic cabinet overhaul and sackings at the beginning of her reign (not to mention the Boris/Gove thing in the leadership contest) a clear sign of an ununited, shambolic party?

I realise Corbyn isn’t to everyone’s tastes politically but if you’re left leaning and want to try and get rid of the Tories, surely he’s not such a bad bet?

I’m sorry if this is making me come across as stupid but I genuinely want to know why some people (especially those who would normally consider themselves left-wing or Labour voters) dislike him so much.

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flippinada · 29/04/2017 16:11

I like this quote :

"How lovely it must be to be able to care more about ideological purity than the genuine threat of actual fascism. How delicious it must be to burrow down luxuriantly in one’s own rigid moral certainties because you will not suffer the real effects of the worst-case scenario. You can instead self-indulgently focus on details instead of staring fearfully at the bigger picture."

It's from an article about the French Presidential election but take out the bit about fascism and replace it with something along the lines of "right wing Conservative party with a large majority" and it's rather close to the bone.

flippinada · 29/04/2017 16:15

NoLottery I read that earlier - good article . Hard to believe it's 20 years ago.

birdsdestiny · 29/04/2017 16:44

Flip, I think that says it perfectly. It's been a practical demonstration on the similarity between the hard left and the hard right.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/04/2017 16:50

I think it's the trendy middle class left that's keeping Corbyn going.

Im certainly not middle class, I'm just a very afraid disability sufferer that wonders what else the tories can take from me when I've got nothing left to take

flippinada · 29/04/2017 17:02

I appreciate that Just, I was generalising. Sorry if that sounds dismissive, it's not intentional.

I'm worried about the same things you are. Genuinely so, and I'm not just paying lip service either, I have MHI that impact on my ability to work - also worried about what the future holds. I think a lot of people are.

makeourfuture · 29/04/2017 17:07

Well can you really disparage convictions if they are rooted in fair treatment of the poor, sick and disabled? In increased rights for workers? Funded schools and medical facilities? Peaceful resolution? Asking corporations to at least pay some taxes...as they benefit from a peaceful well-functioning society full of health, educated people.

flippinada · 29/04/2017 17:31

I don't think anyone is arguing against those things, are they? Just that they don't think JC (at leader of the LP) isn't the person to deliver them. And he's one of the comfortably off crowd. Has been all his life.

flippinada · 29/04/2017 17:31

*as

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 29/04/2017 17:50

Just I am sorry you are in the position you are in I see far too many people that are in similar situations as you are and having to suffer cuts to services, the money and support they get

But Corbyn isn't the man that is going change that for you as he will never become PM no one with his connections and his past ever will (let's be clear he has never been part of any peace process)

Most of us here are life long Labour support and dislike him so much as he is the reason we won't win and you can't just keep promising money and doing so little to raise more money if it was that simple it would have been done by the last labour government

Tanith · 29/04/2017 18:02

"I don't think anyone is arguing against those things, are they? Just that they don't think JC (at leader of the LP) isn't the person to deliver them. And he's one of the comfortably off crowd. Has been all his life."

Do you honestly believe that Theresa May and her cabinet of multi-millionaires will deliver those things?

They have a proven track record of attacking the poor and vulnerable while lining their own pockets.

NoLotteryWinYet · 29/04/2017 18:04

All the stuff on Facebook telling me that May is burning down my house, killing the NHS is so hubristic it is totally alienating. If you tell anyone thinking of voting Tory or who has voted Tory in the past (not I) that they're evil/fascist/murdering you've lost any persuasion you had.

That's not what Blair did, he praised hardworking people, and wealth creators, got elected as a safe pair of hands and then he increased NHS funding, and brought in a carefully considered and independently monitored minimum wage.

NoLotteryWinYet · 29/04/2017 18:06

I think it's missing the point - all this stuff saying the tories are bad are missing the point that to a lot of people Corbyn looks like a word bet, a man who'll flip flop on what to do should any foreign policy disaster happen, who has a hypocritical position on Brexit and who has policies that that don't pass any sort of test for rigour.

NoLotteryWinYet · 29/04/2017 18:06

*worse bet.

MrsSherlock · 29/04/2017 18:07

Working class and voting for Corbyn.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 29/04/2017 18:09

Yet again however Corbyn hasn't costed his policies. Count is now up to about 7 of his new policies that are going to use corporation tax to pay for it. There is no way in this planet it will.

It plays into the hands of the Tories that can just repeat the "Labour can't be trusted with the economy line"

NoLotteryWinYet · 29/04/2017 18:11

And exactly why Blair so carefully costed his policies, involved independent experts and won a huge landslide.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 29/04/2017 18:11

Do you honestly believe that Theresa May and her cabinet of multi-millionaires will deliver those things?

No. Nor will the Labour shadow cabinet of extremly wealthy either.

It is a growing myth that all Tory MPs are rich and Labour 'poor'.

There is even a 'Lady' in the shadow cabinet although she has a distaste it would seem, for the working class and white vans

flippinada · 29/04/2017 18:15

No I don't think the Conservative Party are going to deliver those things. Lifelong Labour supporter, voter and occasional campaigner here. For what seems like the nth time...

MrsSherlock · 29/04/2017 18:23

Cos money is more important than people. #self-servatives

makeourfuture · 29/04/2017 18:27

And exactly why Blair so carefully costed his policies,

Let's not look too close at Tony's economics (collapse)....poor salesmanship.

But again, this is silly....get behind your party, the party with economic growth (it is the way forward) and fair treatment of the poor, sick and disabled at the heart of the platform. Increased rights for workers. Well-funded schools and medical facilities. Peaceful resolutions to global challenges.

These things we can have.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 29/04/2017 18:27

Cos money is more important than people. #self-servatives

Stereotyping ahoy.

flippinada · 29/04/2017 18:29

Oh and member too. I forgot that.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 29/04/2017 18:30

get behind your party

Sorry but no. Not why JC is there. Nor will my Jewish family or my friends who lost family to the IRA

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 29/04/2017 18:40

No I won't get behind Corbyn

I won't get behind a man that has constantly cosied up to those who support terrorism for no other reason than making a stand against western governments no peace making no involvement in peace talks

And if I am many many life long Labour supporters feel that way how the fuck is he going to win over floating voters

NoLotteryWinYet · 29/04/2017 19:07

Self-serving? To want carefully costed, researched policies? Ok then...

I'm funding labour's campaign through my member dues, I'm holding on to vote him out.

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