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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to call them stupid (rant! i wouldnt really)

149 replies

Verticalvenetianblinds · 25/04/2017 07:34

Ds is nearly 2, and doesn't tolerate dairy. This isn't a problem until we go out to eat. Often choose locally run places, tend to lean towards to the organic/vegetarian/homemade type places as that's my preference. He'll eat anything so often shares mine, which I ask for with no butter. But recently hes decided hes a big boy now and doesn't want to share. This is an example of a regular and annoying occurrence:
He loves scrambled egg so I asked for that at a local cafe. Asked if it was possible to just scramble the egg, no milk or butter added -no problem she said. I went on to explain he doesnt eat dairy and she hesitated... I thought she was going to worry about cross contamination but no. Her question was 'but eggs are dairy'

Now my aibu is everytime this happens (which is half the time and we go out a couple of times a week) can I just smile and remind them of basic animal knowledge?
I'm sure there must be a witty reply I can use without making them feel dense.
(but seriously where the actual fuck do they think eggs come from?)

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PaintingOwls · 25/04/2017 07:58

Same here, I was taught that eggs are in the dairy group.

I think YUBalittlebitU, why get into altercations at all, why not just say eggs with no milk or butter as he is allergic to milk?

I'm vegan and kind of get the opposite problem, I say I don't have dairy and get asked "what about eggs??"

notomatoes · 25/04/2017 07:59

Dairy and eggs are often grouped together so why would it be unreasonable for people to make that connection in their heads? most people will realise when not put on the spot.

junglebookisthebest · 25/04/2017 08:00

I think it's back in the 70's and 80's when we had a milkman and their little electric carts were covered with their name which was something Dairy and they just delivered milk and eggs, plus shops would lump them together as Dairy so that association exists. People don't think Dairy means cow products - they think Dairy is that group of animal products (that were delivered by the milkman before they started having all sorts on their carts or disappeared as we bought everything from supermarkets)

Looneytune253 · 25/04/2017 08:01

That's nothing i once had someone asking me if bananas had dairy in them!?!?!?

Littledrummergirl · 25/04/2017 08:02

In the past when you had to buy your food from different stores-butcher, baker, greengrocer, dairy you would usually buy the eggs from dairy along with butter and cream. In marketing they were sold with dairy.

I was also educated with them being in the same food group triangle.
If anyone said no dairy to me I would assume eggs were included-if they said lactose intolerant I would think they were fine.
Yabu.

Verticalvenetianblinds · 25/04/2017 08:03

And the example in my op is somebody being kind and watching out for my boy, that I appreciate massively. I'm not being shitty.
Its quite interesting how many of you think of eggs being dairy, I will reword it to cows milk allergy and that may help.

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Devorak · 25/04/2017 08:03

I think I was taught that eggs are were dairy at school. They're often associated with cheese, butter, milk etc.

Besides which, most people don't care and why would they need to unless they have a specific reason to not eat a product, they just crack on with it.

Verticalvenetianblinds · 25/04/2017 08:06

Bananas come from the lesser known 'cow tree' where milk flows through its branchs

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TheFrendo · 25/04/2017 08:06

Cows don't lay the eggs.

treaclesoda · 25/04/2017 08:06

I'm in my 40s and I never learnt at school that eggs were dairy. It was 'eggs AND dairy' in the different food groups.

Maybe it's because I'm from an area where dairy farming is still a huge industry. There were so many farmers children in my school that there would have been uproar if a teacher tried to suggest that dairy included eggs.

ArgyMargy · 25/04/2017 08:08

Our 70's milkman delivered sliced bread as well. Does that mean bread is dairy?

treaclesoda · 25/04/2017 08:10

Argy our milkman also delivered orange juice. Smile

hackmum · 25/04/2017 08:11

I'm puzzled by this too, OP, and also puzzled that so many MNers think that egg is dairy! If you google it, however, you'll find both a clear definition of dairy (a food product made from a mammal's milk) and the observation that lots of people erroneously think eggs are a dairy product.

user1471462115 · 25/04/2017 08:11

Nutritionist here.
This is one of my bug bears.

The dairy food group contains food rich in calcium and protein.

The meat, fish and alternatives group, where eggs have been located since I was at school (a long time ago,) is where foods high in protein and iron are grouped.

Milk protein is totally different to egg protein. I think this is basic science .

The eatwell plate/balance of good health has been like this for well over 30 years.

The other ones people get wrong are potatoes and baked beans.
And pizza.

Verticalvenetianblinds · 25/04/2017 08:14

Aren't eggs normally in the baking section if supermarket? Not by the milk and butters?

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Quartz2208 · 25/04/2017 08:15

But dairy is not limited to cows either, it's mammal milk. So is it just a cow milk allergy as that is not a dairy allergy if he can have goats milk etc

JJBum · 25/04/2017 08:17

Eggs are not dairy and have never been dairy. People print factually incorrect information all the time. It doesn't make it fact...even if someone who doesn't know better teaches it as such,

The suggestions to just say "cow's milk" aren't helpful. If you say that, then often the assumption is that it is literally just milk that is the problem so you can end up with food that has butter, cream, etc in it. You can even end up being offered things like ice cream for your child. Plus, most children outgrow CMPA and they may reach a stage where they can tolerate some levels of dairy but not straight milk. So if someone says "dairy" it's because they mean...well, dairy.

treaclesoda · 25/04/2017 08:18

I also don't understand the argument that goes 'well, lots of people define dairy as including eggs, therefore the onus is on you to explain that you mean milk based products, not dairy'. But the very definition of milk based products is 'dairy', there is no better way to describe it when there is an actual word in the dictionary that describes it perfectly.

nannybeach · 25/04/2017 08:20

You said your DS doesnt "tolerate" dairy, does it make him ill, has he always been like this? I was completely veggi for about 20 years, people used to say I was really difficult, I would reply, not at all I would be perfectly happy if you gave me a cheese sandwich. Had to go on a acid free diet for really bad 2 different sorts of reflux. Lunch with elderly relative took my lunch with me, had already explained to her on the phone, she offered me a whole list of stuff I couldnt eat, got really annoyed with me, said I was weird. Said I was trying to stop acid damage my throat etc. she got all sniffy said she would provide "special" food, askedd her if her reaction would be the same if I was diabetic or whatever. But seriously, I would have to say eggs ARENT dairy, DH has lactose intolerence, lacto free milk, daity gives him gut ach, nd the runs.

JJBum · 25/04/2017 08:20

And children with a cow's milk protein allergy usually cannot have any mammalian dairy products. Parents are advised to steer clear of them all. To whomever asked that question.

nannybeach · 25/04/2017 08:21

sorry said she would NOT provide special food, (never asked her too!!!)

summersloegin · 25/04/2017 08:21

I sympathise.

You get this a LOT with veganism. I do get a bit fed up of people shoving food at me and practically insisting I eat it.

I once ate a soya milk based vegan rice pudding. For months afterwards I had someone's mother practically forcing Ambrosia on me. It gets embarrassing and uncomfortable. These days I don't eat with people!

Verticalvenetianblinds · 25/04/2017 08:22

I haven't tried him goats or sheeps milk (happy with the milk of nuts at the moment) and yes we've tried the ladder several times and we're under a dietician consultant

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Mumzypopz · 25/04/2017 08:24

Eggs were always shown in the dairy triangle at school, that's where people have got it from. They aren't stupid, just need re educating.

nelipotter · 25/04/2017 08:25

user1471462115 how do they get beans and potatoes wrong?
I can guess why they get pizza....

I am pretty amazed actually that so many people don't know they are not dairy. The whole 'that's what they told me at school' is a bit Hmm

You mean you haven't read any articles on basic nutrition since school? I find it hard to believe.

On the other hand, I've had people ask me the stupidest things when I used to work in a cafe. "Does this juice contain gluten?" Ummm..... I don't think you understand the nature of gluten....

Anyway, you are NBU OP!

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