To think the tide may be turning...

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Apparently under twenty fives have been registering to vote in high numbers, assuming because lots of Tory policies have hit this age group negatively. AIBU to feel optimistic that they will turn out to vote and possibly prove the poll predictions wrong?

Any under 25's here who have registered with this intention?

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Of course the media is right wing overall. Look at the way they screwed Jeremy Corbin. Plus two top aides to Theresa May resigned and it was barely reported.

I vote Tory, their policies suit me and the industry I work in. The NHS does not concern me- I'm not naieve enough to believe that problems are just due to the current govt - it has been slowly puts to bits for the last decade. I'm in Lincolnshire, our NHS is under review, it fails on most levels. I've been with BMI for years and I love them.

Shelleygirl don't you dare question how Labour will pay for the NHS!

This Government is having to run a second election because it can't deliver what it recklessly promised in the 2015 manifesto.

Their 2 years has been an absolute disaster of broken promises and attacking the most vulnerable.
I'd add to the list the spiteful removal of mobility cars (my neighbour was told he wasn't disabled enough for his despite having no legs and only one arm!).
The closure of children's services and centres.
The failed promise of 30 hours free childcare (yeah - right! 😂).

Peregrina I'll be shouting it don't worry and campaigning in my area despite reservations about Corbyn as party leader.

As my friend said 'letting the Tories back in because you don't like JC, is like burning your house down because you don't like your curtains'

Sadly I think this election is a forgone conclusion but I believe it will be a very different story in 5-10 years

The NHS does not concern me

Lucky you. So if you are injured in Road Traffic Accident you will tell them not to take you to A & E.? You will tell them to find you a private hospital with A & E facilities?

The rather strange thing about Conservatives is that their reputation for fiscal prudence is at odds with what they actually do in government

www.theguardian.com/education/2017/apr/26/mps-condemn-free-schools-policy-as-incoherent-and-wasteful

So people cheer them when they save a few pennies by cutting benefits for the disabled and yet are happy to see huge sums wasted on unnecessary free schools, UTCs which close after a few years and presumably new grammar schools which will make education worse for the vast majority.

I think Corbyn is an idiot. But given the ruinous cost of hard Brexit and all the other money that will be wasted by the next Tory government, would he really be all that much worse?

I don't think Corbyn would stand on the steps of 10 Downing Street and preach about wanting a country which works for everyone, while kicking the sick, disabled and children in the teeth.

Fab39 I don't think it was the media that screwed Jezza Corbyn. I think he's done/doing an excellent job of doing it himself

HPFA it's in the news today what a waste of money free schools are ! (I'm paraphrasing...)

I find it interesting that it had taken 33 pages for anyone to mention the damage that has been done to education.

Very true ILikeBeansWithKetchup.

Bloody hell. Anyone else listen to Radio 5 this morning. Talking to a woman who is encouraging people to vote tactically to limit the Tories influence and a bloke who is encouraging people to vote tactically to ensure the Tories get a thumping majority. The latter was in favour of hard Brexit, she was in favour of soft Brexit.

What shocked me was the guy said "we now have a really strong leader, probably the strongest leader we've had in 100 years". I nearly crashed the car. Whatever one feels about ANY previous Prime Minister, the idea that Teresa May is or will ever be as strong as people as Churchill, Thatcher, Baldwin, Atlee, Lloyd George is probably the most unintelligent thing I've heard in a long time. This bloke also failed to understand how anyone with any intelligence could disagree!

I'm afraid I have to post this as the end of the exchange had me crying with laughter (or was it tears of despair?)

twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/857113153834020864

"we now have a really strong leader, probably the strongest leader we've had in 100 years"

Zoe Williams had a piece mentioning this sort of thing in the Guardian a couple of days ago. Leaders are seen as being strong in office. As with Cameron he was considered lightweight before Office and extremely lightweight after Office.

May will not be joining the ranks of any great Leaders - she will IMO join the ranks of the great failures.

Fab39 I don't think it was the media that screwed Jezza Corbyn. I think he's done/doing an excellent job of doing it himself

The BBC Trust has just found that Laura Kuenssberg, BBC political editor, peddled fake news to attack Jeremy Corbyn, but at least she gets to keep her job.

Good for you Frilly bothered about anyone else?

The party who ate in opposition have to win over the public even when the public are crying out for change they need to install confidence that they can and are able to make those changes with solid proposals backed up by solid plans to put them in place and Labour fail to do this, very poor opposition and a party so publicly splint

For many voters it will simply come down who can lead us through Brexit negotiations better. the answer is in who runs their party better and that simply is May

So people's dislike of Corbyn is irrelevant he simply doesn't inspire confidence in people even before they look at the flimsy proposals, his history/friends, his pettiness the list goes on and on

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Are in opposition

the answer is in who runs their party better and that simply is May

No, the answer is that she gives the appearance of doing so. In fact in the Home Office, she was a failure time and time again, famously not being able to meet her immigration targets. She will fail at Brexit, but no doubt blame others.

Time and time again, Corbyn supporters main defence of Corbyn is "you've all fallen for media spin".

Time and time again, I say, "no, I have my own eyes and brain and have watched him at PMQs and I find him completely ineffectual 85% of the time; it's not media spin to see how many of his own party can't or won't work with him, which is a huge part of the job; it's not media spin to see how many of the shadow cabinet are fairly inept whenevr a camera or microphone is put in front of them; it's not media spin to attend an event that Corbyn is speaking at and seeing how the Momentum cronies stir it all up and how any question of criticism is thrown back at you rather than answer the question; it's not media spin that the one party that lost members last year was Labour and that the Lib Dems got more people donating to their party in the last quarter of 2016 than Labour for the first time ever; it's not media spin that you cannot get an answer of how Corbyn's pledges will actually be financed; it's not media spin that many long-term Labour voters and friends of mine have been disgusted at what Momentum and Corbyn are doing and cannot bring themselves to vote for their own party"

And believe me, it gives me no pleasure to say all of that, because this country needs an effective opposition more now than it has in a very, very long time.

Peregina when she first took over her party were very publicly fighting and of course they still are but behind closed doors

She spent her time getting her party behind her and when she needed their show of support they backed her up and are doing so again this is a large part of the work when you are the party leader

And on regards to her previous job who is interested when we have Brexit looming not many it's how she is leading her party now that will impact votes

And her past failures in one of the most difficult and challenging roles well against Corbyn's past I doubt will stop many people voting for her but Corbyn's past (and his present stance on his past) will certainly stop many voting for him

If the conservatives had followed Labour methods they would likely have Andrea Leadsom as leader now , fighting off questions about definitions of sin along the lines of Tim Farron.

This from a comment in the FT:

*One curious aspect - Conservative politicians are terrified of the Daily Mail, the Telegraph, and the Murdoch press. They are therefore convinced that the politicians of the EU 27 are frightened by them too. The opposite is the case - it is hard to see any way in which the Daily Mail and its journalists, or the Telegraph are regarded with anything but contempt in the EU 27. Always remember, it has to publish a different edition for Ireland (and even Scotland) because it would not sell, not even be carried, were it as appalling there as it is in England.

I cannot honestly say that Corbyn (a secret Brexiteer in my opinion) could do a competent job of the Brexit negotiations - but then, the likelihood of a good outcome has already been destroyed by the ineptitude, clumsiness and crass approach of Theresa May.*

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281

Proportional representation mentioned on this thread is far fairer. Be aware that UKIP would have had 83 seats within the House of Commons and the Conservatives would have still won in 2015.

There is so much misinformation on this thread from both sides of the political sprectrum it's depressing.