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To not want to see or speak to her again?

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froofroomcgoo · 22/04/2017 20:43

Been wanting to write this for a while but didn't have the guts. This could be loooong.

My BF is one of DH's BF. They met at uni, I met her about 3 months after he did. I was her maid of honor, she mine. DH was an usher at her wedding, we see each other most weeks. Or did.

I got pregnant shortly after getting married. She requires an operation before she can have children (well, it's advised the operation is before pregnancy as pregnancy could make her condition worse) she doesn't want the operation so has put it off until recently when she has had to organise it. She isn't sure she wants kids at all, wants to foster ASD children.

She was the first person we told I was pregnant. She was excited and happy for us, continued to see her regularly. Then baby came. I had mild postnatal depression, I was struggling with the physical changes to my body, I had a birth injury causing on going issues and my sex life was non-existent which along with my mood was causing issues in my relationship. I confided in her. DS was a velcro baby, bottle refuser and terrible, terrible sleeper. I was miserable, sleep deprived and depressed.

I feel that as a good friend she should have suggested nights in round mine, shopping trips or lunch out, nights round her with DS coming with me, walks in the park etc (which I did suggest to her). I feel she should have hugged me, listened to me, told me to buck up. I did ask about her life and the things important to her etc, it wasn't one sided.

Instead, she went out drinking and dancing with DH, invited him to child-unfriendly things, invited him to lunch, the park, shopping, coffee with DS (under the guise of giving me a break).

We used to all do a hobby together, which I can't do due to my birth injury. She'd invite DH to do that, knowing how upset it made me, she'd invite him to gigs, trips away.

DH would always ask me before saying yes or no, and would sometimes say no anyway as he knew I was struggling, but I felt bad asking him not to go (I know now I should have said when I wasn't happy.

She'd also do things such as when we were round hers, put music on and give DH drinks and start dancing, then say "I really want to go out dancing but I bet froo won't let you" within earshot of me.

It all came to a head when DS was about 8 months when DH and her were going away for an event. DH informed me he'd book a twin room (we're pretty broke) or take an airbed in a cheapo hotel. I found out the night before that he's booked a naice hotel with 4 poster bed (though it was cheap!) we had a massive row and they didn't go.

We discussed it afterwards and DH did admit that he and DF had been getting close, he's been confiding in her and enjoyed spending time with her and could see it wouldn't take much for him to start having inappropriate feelings for her. He admitted his behaviour had been out of order and we discussed the issues in our relationship and are working on those.

DH maintains that DF didn't know about the hotel and I shouldn't blame her. I pointed out all the issues above and told him I felt she had been a poor friend to me, and had been undermining our relationship by listening to me about how I felt and things that were going wrong and then using them to get close to DH. DH admitted that he hadn't seen it that way but could see my point and that that meant she wasn't a good friend to him either.

Unfortunately she is part of a wider close friendship group, making it very hard to cut her off completely. I've seen her maybe 6 times since this incident. I'm polite but cool. The rest of group don't know about any of this. DH is still maintaining a friendship with her, though made the decision himself not to see her alone at all, or without me where possible.

He feels over time I should forgive her and move on. I don't want to. There is history of her doing similar things and this is just the final straw. I don't want her in my life. It's been about 9 months now.

DH and I have been working through things and things have been pretty good. I haven't fully decided if I can get over what he did, I do believe it to be an emotional affair and I'm not sure I can forgive him, but I'm trying.

AIBU to never want too see her again? And certainly not consider her a friend?

I think we're doing well and then I find that last night, when out with work and drunk, he text her. He clearly wanted to see her (I don't know what he text, just her response of "I'm not out tonight" when it flashed up on his phone screen.) and know I'm thinking does he still have feelings for her?

I hate this!

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CoffeeBreakIn5 · 22/04/2017 23:09

Oh OP, how disgusting of both of them. TBH I think I'd probably be reacting the same way you have but I really think the posters who have suggested kicking him out and never speaking to her again have a much better perspective on things.

She was pretending to be your friend, probably from when you and her actually started being friends, because she has wanted to remain close with your DH. Up until you had your baby and went off the scene a bit she was able to keep up this pretence, then you needed a friend and her true colours were revealed. This is what happens when you have a baby, your real friends stick around and at least try to help you and the fake ones treat you like you are no longer the same person and carry on life without you. This one has gone a step further and continued life with your DH.

Your DH has behaved like a bastard, you've been out of action and he's replaced you with her. He's used the fact you've been preoccupied and continued to have his ego boosted (at the very, very least) whilst you've been suffering. Knowing you were vulnerable he hasn't worried about the consequences too much because he didn't expect you to do anything and thought you'd blame yourself for being preoccupied.

Back when it happened you weren't in the best position to do the best thing, so he's remained as DH and you've accepted what he did. Now you're recovered and DS is not a newborn you can see things more clearly. He's still contacting this woman, he still thinks about her and he still wants to have time alone with her away from you. He wants her, I think he's stringing you along whilst getting his kicks with her.

YANBU, but not seeing or speaking to her again should actually be extended to him too. He's behaved the worst out of both of them and I'd be very surprised if the others in your friendship group didn't know all about it.

JaniceBattersby · 22/04/2017 23:29

I'm sorry OP but I agree with the others. He was just going to Spring a four-poster bed on someone who he wasn't already having an affair with, just in case his platonic friend happened to fancy sharing it with him?!

My arse.

I wouldn't trust her, and I wouldn't trust him. How he can think it's acceptable to maintain a 'friendship' Hmm with her I'll never know. The pair of them are taking you for a mug.

NameChangeInCasePeopleRecogn · 22/04/2017 23:30

There's no way he booked a 4 poster of they weren't already sleeping together, it would just look too presumptuous.

Mrscaindingle · 22/04/2017 23:30

It's really difficult when in this position to believe the worst about your 'D'H especially when they feed you a pack of lies, you want to not believe what your gut is telling you and it can take months for the penny to drop.

What previous posters are saying is if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's is a fucking duck!

Sorry op Flowers

gillybeanz · 22/04/2017 23:34

I'm sorry you are going through this and that what you have done already hasn't resolved your issue.
yes, you want her out of your life, but she isn't your problem.
Your dh has been unfaithful to you, he made the decision to have an affair.
Maybe you don't mind him being unfaithful and can live with it, plenty can.
By not distancing himself from her he is showing he isn't going to change and that you married someone who can't be monogomous.
I'd definitely get to the gum clinic if I was you.

Catherinebee85 · 23/04/2017 00:14

I don't think you're unreasonable at all, and I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who treated me and my relationship with so little respect.

She did things which she knows would have hurt you, and impacted negatively on your relationship with your husband at a time you needed her the most.

To those blaming the husband - yes he played a part but he listened to your concerns and has taken them on board, adjusting his behaviour when he realised where things could be heading. They were both in the wrong, but he has admitted fault and she hasn't. IMO that's not a very good friend at all!

I wouldn't want to see her and have to be friends with her either.

honeyroar · 23/04/2017 00:15

You poor thing. What a disgusting pair they are.

She's flirting in front of you, dragging your husband out to places you can't go, he's not putting up much of a fight. He books a romantic hotel for the two of them, when he gets caught he minimalists it as a mistake and "he might be getting close to having feelings for her", refuses to cut contact with her, expects you to get over it, and texts her behind your back (could be more than that..). How can you possibly have a relationship and trust with him? He's a total let down. It would drive you demented. Him aside, of course you don't need her in your life, she's nothing to you now. She's the easy one, it's him you've got to come to terms with and deal with now.

Dumbo412 · 23/04/2017 00:29

I'm sorry OP, but it seems some posters have said exactly what I was thinking, as if he just happened to spring a four poster bed on someone you haven't already slept with.
He's already somehow got a very clear signal that it would be ok to do that from her, or he wouldn't do such an obvious thing through fear that his wife's best friend would be aghast and tell her.
It just doesn't happen that way.
I think it's most likely they were shagging for a while before this. I'd chop his balls off for him. Sorry but I'd not be having any of it. I'd not have her anywhere near me, and as for him, he would be getting a very expensive divorce.

Imknackeredzzz · 23/04/2017 00:49

Sorry OP they'd already been sleeping together hence the 4 poster bed and probably still are.

Dumbo412 · 23/04/2017 00:55

I've read the thread now! I am fuming for you. Your husband is a piece of shit. He won't even cut her out? He tells you that in time you should get over it? He tells you, how to deal with his infidelity? At a time when you need him most! You have had PND after having his child!! His child! If there were ever a situation that he should be there for you, this should be it. And you know what, a lot of men do have affairs when children have just been born, a mixture of excuses are given, oh life has changed, im not a priority anymore- but these excuses dont make it right. And you could work it out if he were willing to fight for you.

He should be grovelling for you to accept his apologies and give him a chance to make it right. Not texting her and telling you how to react.

Lady, see your worth.,you are worth more than him. His treatment of you has been awful. He cannot love you to have done this to you.

If I were you I wouldn't even discuss this with him any further. On Monday I would be going to see a solicitor. I would put in a petition for divorce. I would name his and her affair as reason for doing so. I would then send her husband all the proof you have of their affair.
set their world o. Fire, and give her husband the opportunity to make a choice of whether he wants to stay with her or not.

I'm so sorry you are going through this, but no way I would allow that fucker any further opportunity to make me look a fool.

MrsA2015 · 23/04/2017 00:58

Sorry but why is he getting off Scott free????? It takes two to tango she can't be blamed and shamed for all of it! Speak to her and figure out what's going on

NoncommittalToSparkleMotion · 23/04/2017 01:14

Oh OP Flowers What a couple of utter wankstains they are.

It sounds like there's going to be some rough times ahead. Please look after yourself.

Italiangreyhound · 23/04/2017 01:34

froofroomcgoo I am so sorry. in my view she has failed you as a friend but he has failed you as a husband. Sad Angry

I hope you find some way forward that is right for you. But him telling you how you should feel about her, that is not part of the picture - how dare he!

Thanks
ilovechoc1987 · 23/04/2017 02:12

Sorry you've been through this op 😔 what a couple of twats they are!
I can't believe you've been so cool about things for so long!.

My partner is my bf and if he had another female bf I would hit the roof and I wouldn't be able to handle it!. Call me immature, but I wouldn't be comfortable sharing my partner with another women in that way, so well done for putting up with it!.

You're not out of order.
I would demand no contact EVER AGAIN between the pair of them, give him 6 months of no contact and if any contact was made, relationship over.

I hope things work out, and preferably the floozy one gets hit by a bus or something Angry

Trifleorbust · 23/04/2017 07:29

I'm sorry to say this but are you sure there wasn't more going on? He says she didn't know about the cost double bed situation (four poster?!) but how likely is this to be true? Is it really credible that he, with no encouragement from her at all, booked a room where it would be obvious his intention was for them to sleep together, without mentioning it to her?

Bluntness100 · 23/04/2017 07:42

Hmmm. It could be that nothing happened. Because people having affairs tend to be more discreet, however fhe booking a room with the four poster bed is the concern here, because he was intent on sharing it with her. So either they were having an affair or he wanted to. Normally no one books a four poster for a mate, so I'd have to come down on either shagging or about to.

She has not been your friend, but he is your much bigger problem. You really should not put all the blame on her and absolve him. That's very wrong indeed.

Trifleorbust · 23/04/2017 07:56

I do understand why people sometimes blame the OW and forgive the skeazy DP/DH. You invest in people, and once you have invested enough to marry someone and have a baby with them, you have more incentive to forgive them than you do to forgive someone who was meant to act like a friend and didn't. I might forgive my DH an affair. I know I would never forgive a 'friend' shagging my husband. I just couldn't.

twattymctwatterson · 23/04/2017 07:57

I think that it's been easier to blame her than accept that your husband chose a time when you needed him most to get closer to another woman then deliberately tried to initiate an affair with her. Men can't be stolen away, he's 100% responsible for his own behaviour

MumOfTwoMasterOfNone · 23/04/2017 08:01

OP I knew for a year with my ex that he was cheating but I believed his lies when I questioned anything. He was abusive and made me feel so so little about myself that I just wasn't strong enough to question it further.
After my birthday and Valentine's Day, he had changed and had actually been nice for a change and it made me realise how bad he had been for so long (affair had stopped).
I grew a set of balls and challenged him. It took a lot of persuasion and threats that if he didn't show me his phone bill log I wanted him to move out etc. But I eventually got enough out of him to know what I was dealing with....a snake, who I can honestly say now that I am so glad I am rid of, despite being devastated at the time.

You just have to find the strength to deal with it OP. Trust me, I know how much easier it is to bury your head in the sand and carry on. He is taking advantage of your vulnerability as he knows he is more likely to get away with it as you 'need' him.

It's disgusting behaviour from both of them.

IndiaGrace · 23/04/2017 08:11

Did you post about the bed thing at the time OP? I think I've read about that before. Perhaps not though.

shellhider · 23/04/2017 08:16

Well she's a prize bitch isn't she. Added to that your DH is being a prize dick. They both need to stop, especially your DH before you tell him to fuck off to the far side of fuck and then some more.
Flowers

Sorry, no constructive advice, I'm in a foul mood but you do have my sympathy that he's being such a fool.

froofroomcgoo · 23/04/2017 08:22

I think it's just so hard to see where close friendship tips over in to inappropriate.

Obviously I know them both well, and i know she uses men to boost her self esteem and doesn't ascribe to normal social boundaries and would have thought nothing of them sharing a bed.

I can also see that he would find her company easier than mine, more fun and want to spend more time with her.

When confronted he did own up straight away and said it was him not her etc. He doesn't think she's done anything wrong. He does think he's done something wrong.

I love him very much and i know that if we did split up he'd be a good and equal parent to DS.

Luckily I have a good job and my own money so if we split I'll be fine. We have no family support locally.

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DontTouchTheMoustache · 23/04/2017 08:22

Op Flowers there is no worse feeling than being betrayed by the people you love the most. I don't believe that there wasn't more going on and sadly even if there wasn't I think you know that you will never be able to rebuild the trust. I know you are probably terrified of being a single parent but you deserve better than your wanker of a husband. You can do it alone

DonaldStott · 23/04/2017 08:29

Wow. All through your OP, all I thought reading it is what a twat your husband is.

Yes your friend treated you shoddily, but friends come and go throughout life. Especially when babies appear.

I would be VERY surprised if they hadn't had a fumble, let alone a shag.

Dump both the twats!!!

You are blaming everything on this friend and working on forgiving your husband.

That is fucked up.

He is the one who booked the four poster.

He is the one who drunk texted her and she rejected him.

You have a husband problem. Not an easily dispensable friend problem.

KateDaniels2 · 23/04/2017 08:30

I think it's just so hard to see where close friendship tips over in to inappropriate.

Its really not. Re read your op. Its really obvious.

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