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AIBU?

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To not want to see or speak to her again?

297 replies

froofroomcgoo · 22/04/2017 20:43

Been wanting to write this for a while but didn't have the guts. This could be loooong.

My BF is one of DH's BF. They met at uni, I met her about 3 months after he did. I was her maid of honor, she mine. DH was an usher at her wedding, we see each other most weeks. Or did.

I got pregnant shortly after getting married. She requires an operation before she can have children (well, it's advised the operation is before pregnancy as pregnancy could make her condition worse) she doesn't want the operation so has put it off until recently when she has had to organise it. She isn't sure she wants kids at all, wants to foster ASD children.

She was the first person we told I was pregnant. She was excited and happy for us, continued to see her regularly. Then baby came. I had mild postnatal depression, I was struggling with the physical changes to my body, I had a birth injury causing on going issues and my sex life was non-existent which along with my mood was causing issues in my relationship. I confided in her. DS was a velcro baby, bottle refuser and terrible, terrible sleeper. I was miserable, sleep deprived and depressed.

I feel that as a good friend she should have suggested nights in round mine, shopping trips or lunch out, nights round her with DS coming with me, walks in the park etc (which I did suggest to her). I feel she should have hugged me, listened to me, told me to buck up. I did ask about her life and the things important to her etc, it wasn't one sided.

Instead, she went out drinking and dancing with DH, invited him to child-unfriendly things, invited him to lunch, the park, shopping, coffee with DS (under the guise of giving me a break).

We used to all do a hobby together, which I can't do due to my birth injury. She'd invite DH to do that, knowing how upset it made me, she'd invite him to gigs, trips away.

DH would always ask me before saying yes or no, and would sometimes say no anyway as he knew I was struggling, but I felt bad asking him not to go (I know now I should have said when I wasn't happy.

She'd also do things such as when we were round hers, put music on and give DH drinks and start dancing, then say "I really want to go out dancing but I bet froo won't let you" within earshot of me.

It all came to a head when DS was about 8 months when DH and her were going away for an event. DH informed me he'd book a twin room (we're pretty broke) or take an airbed in a cheapo hotel. I found out the night before that he's booked a naice hotel with 4 poster bed (though it was cheap!) we had a massive row and they didn't go.

We discussed it afterwards and DH did admit that he and DF had been getting close, he's been confiding in her and enjoyed spending time with her and could see it wouldn't take much for him to start having inappropriate feelings for her. He admitted his behaviour had been out of order and we discussed the issues in our relationship and are working on those.

DH maintains that DF didn't know about the hotel and I shouldn't blame her. I pointed out all the issues above and told him I felt she had been a poor friend to me, and had been undermining our relationship by listening to me about how I felt and things that were going wrong and then using them to get close to DH. DH admitted that he hadn't seen it that way but could see my point and that that meant she wasn't a good friend to him either.

Unfortunately she is part of a wider close friendship group, making it very hard to cut her off completely. I've seen her maybe 6 times since this incident. I'm polite but cool. The rest of group don't know about any of this. DH is still maintaining a friendship with her, though made the decision himself not to see her alone at all, or without me where possible.

He feels over time I should forgive her and move on. I don't want to. There is history of her doing similar things and this is just the final straw. I don't want her in my life. It's been about 9 months now.

DH and I have been working through things and things have been pretty good. I haven't fully decided if I can get over what he did, I do believe it to be an emotional affair and I'm not sure I can forgive him, but I'm trying.

AIBU to never want too see her again? And certainly not consider her a friend?

I think we're doing well and then I find that last night, when out with work and drunk, he text her. He clearly wanted to see her (I don't know what he text, just her response of "I'm not out tonight" when it flashed up on his phone screen.) and know I'm thinking does he still have feelings for her?

I hate this!

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JigglyTuff · 22/04/2017 21:30

Well they're both an utter par of shits. Tell your friends. Why hide it? You've done nothing wrong.

witsender · 22/04/2017 21:30

This whole thing makes me feel really sad for you, what a double betrayal.

MarcelineTheVampire · 22/04/2017 21:30

Oh Froo how awful for you Flowers

I agree that she isn't a friend and that you are quite within your rights not to want to spend time with her ever again.

Your husband had an EA and wanted to take it further, hence hotel and four poster bed- I couldn't forgive that I don't think but I realise it isn't as easy as just LTB when you have a baby and you are vulnerable.

You really need to think about whether you can forgive him and to be honest, if that was my husband I would expect him to be NC with her- I don't care about wider friendship group. The fact he is still texting her isn't a good sign I'm afraid.

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 22/04/2017 21:30

Bloody hell OP, if he was my husband I would have drawn the line a long time ago. 4 poster bed, WTF? And he's still texting her? Hell no.

I'm sorry to say it but I don't think he has any respect for you (and nor does she, but I think the issue must be with the husband who has promised a life long commitment to you).

If it was me, he would be sleeping on the sofa and I would make him organise marriage counseling - his responsibility, if he's serious. I'd cut her off and expect him to do the same. Is there any one else in the group that you could confide in? She might be the one to leave the group, not you. Otherwise, get some new friends.

Enjoy your precious precious baby and make your husband do the work now. How old is your baby now? If they're old enough to be without you for a few hours then maybe you could leave them with your husband and take up a new hobby. Could be a great way to meet new friends and a chance to feel like your old self again. Good luck Flowers

expatinscotland · 22/04/2017 21:30

You've already had many a 'talk' with him over his EA. All the talking and counselling in the world isn't going to change a thing because he is not owning this and he is still arranging to see her!

Wake up!

He cheated.

mummymummums · 22/04/2017 21:32

I think it is stretching the boundaries of credibility for him to say he booked a four poster bed and she didn't know! I mean, seriously? Hmm
There are three possibles:

  1. She was fully aware and this was more than an EA and he's protecting her and trying to avoid you speaking to her about it.
  2. He knew for sure she'd jump into bed with him. I'd wonder how he could be 100% sure as this could've gone dreadfully wrong if she'd been horrified.
  3. Your husband is a sex pest and didn't care how she felt about it.
I think (1) is most likely, sorry. This is horrible for you, I hope you have other close friends for support. I'd also insist on seeing his text to her - he's lost his right to privacy where she's concerned. If he's deleted it, then back to (1) above.
MarcelineTheVampire · 22/04/2017 21:33

Expat is right, he had at least an EA and is still in close contact..so disrespectful to you and your relationship.

givemestrengthorgin · 22/04/2017 21:34

It sounds like you've caught this literally just before something more physical happened between them. They both sound like they have been on one side, and you on the other at a time when they should both have been supporting you with a new baby, especially if you had PND as well as physical recuperation from the birth. She is no friend of yours and he sounds like he isn't either. Find out what he texted her and why. That would really really bother me.

froofroomcgoo · 22/04/2017 21:34

imperial how did I find out? Gut instinct. I knew something was up just from how he was acting. Baby was awake and I was pacing the hall with him and went in to the study on my 'walk' his computer was on, open to his emails with the details of the hotel reservation open.

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EmeraldIsle100 · 22/04/2017 21:35

OP dont worry about the rest of the group will think because its highly likely they already know what they are up to. I am not saying this to hurt you but they will have picked up on the sexual tension between your DH and his 'friend'.

I hope things work for you one way or another.

LucieLucie · 22/04/2017 21:35

You need to ask for full transparency, he should show you their text conversations.

To me, the booking of the 4 poster bed room is a MAJOR clue that this has already gone sexual.

Agree with others she's been a shit friend to you in comparison to how you've seen her with others as she's had her eye on your dh while you've poured your heart out to her. She's used that personal information to manipulate him.

That said, he's the one who's married and his loyalty should be with you. The texting her during his work night out to see if she was out is another MAJOR sign he's deceitful.

The only way through this is to cut yourselves off from her completely and for him to be completely honest with you about what went on.

expatinscotland · 22/04/2017 21:37

He booked that room to sleep with her. If you hadn't found the email, that's exactly what he'd have done. And he still doesn't own this.

Nocabbageinmyeye · 22/04/2017 21:40

Drop them both, they both acted inappropriately, she's a bitch and not a friend but your dh is worse. He planned on sleeping with your best friend and when he was caught focussed more on her feelings and her being forgiven than you Confused

He booked a four poster bed ffs, get rid!!!

TheGreyBlock · 22/04/2017 21:41

OP, I've been through something very similar. DH got very "close" to best friend. She started cooling the friendship with me but he refused to cut contact with her. They were having an affair.

If your husband refuses to cut contact with someone he had an EA affair with (probably more than an EA), then he doesn't deserve to be your husband.

My DH is now an exDH

GloGirl · 22/04/2017 21:41

What did his text to her say??

Nocabbageinmyeye · 22/04/2017 21:43

Gut instinct???? It was NOT gut instinct, they told you they were sharing a room, who the fuck does that???, they made a fool out of you with their behaviour and would have happily had a romantic night away, gigs, park walks - wake up, they were dating in front of you!!

Epipgab · 22/04/2017 21:43

What EmeraldIsle100 said is spot on. Solicitor, and tell people.

You have no moral obligation whatsoever to keep your DH and DF's behaviour a secret, so do not feel you have to. Tell the friendship group the facts of what has happened, to ensure your so-called friend won't be able to convince them all that you're the unreasonable one. If they are good friends, they will be very supportive.

Be prepared for this possibility: Your DH and DF may well respond by protesting that you are paranoid, they've done nothing wrong Hmm etc. and possibly even use your "unreasonableness" and "over-sensitivity" as an excuse to get together as a couple (if they haven't already).

MrsChopper · 22/04/2017 21:48

Agree with pp that you should tell everyone including her husband what a pair of spineless fuckmuppets they are!

If I was you I'd get my ducks in a row.

MadMags · 22/04/2017 21:49

You expected her to suggest a list of things you could do with the baby???

But dh went out and did things without baby. How is this friend's fault?

Dh booked a room she didn't know about. How is this friend's fault?

Dh text her last night. How is this friend's fault?

DevilsDumplings · 22/04/2017 21:50

Friend is actually a frenemy!! Husband a thoughtless twit who is probably flattered by her attention. Dump her and work it out with your husband.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 22/04/2017 21:52

Ooh how very painful OP

She is a snake 🐍 for sure

But I really think your DH needs to be told . He can't white wash this and he can't minimize this . The fact that he texted her ....

I would give him an ultimatum personally and don't let him minimize this - it's an EA for sure

Sorry sorry - not what you need and hope this injury can heal ? Flowers

Lanaorana2 · 22/04/2017 21:54

A four-poster bed? OP, I really hope you hit the roof.

EA my arse, incidentally.

AnniesShop · 22/04/2017 21:55

I agree with LucieLucie, you don't book a four poster unless you're
sure it's going to be well received. I mean that's something you have
on your honeymoon for crying out loud.
So while you were left at home with the baby he was was not only
set on a jolly outing but had intended to enjoy all the bells and whistles of a romp in a four poster. Piss take.

LadyRoseate · 22/04/2017 21:55

Bloody hell OP, this has been horrendous for you, I'm so sorry. And I wouldn't listen to people who tell you you should only be cross with him and not her. I'd be furious with her! She was supposed to be your friend, and yes maybe she couldn't be expected to drop everything to support you, but she could have been supportive to some degree rather than just do stuff with your H and leave you out - AND belittle you - AND basically have an affair with him, whether just EA or physical isn't at this point clear.

Him saying you should forgive her is just horrible too. You don't have to, and he should be taking your POV not hers.

Yes of course he's massively at fault as well, which you know. But in your shoes I wouldn't want to see her again either.

From where I'm standing I'd say leave him, because he's shown you that you can't trust him and it's dragging you down. But I know it's not that easy and requires a lot of energy and going through a lot of change, which is extra hard in your situation. But you could give it some thought. You are, effectively, protecting her at the moment. You could tell other friends what's happened and how upset you are. You could talk to her H, if you want. You could end your marriage and move on and the dynamic would be different but at least some of those friends would be there for you.

But anyway you are certainly within your rights to decide never to see her and your H has absolutely NO right to put pressure on you about that.

snapcrap · 22/04/2017 21:57

They were shagging. And/or still are. Sorry. That's your problem. What do you want to do about that?