To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

[cathf]

This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

Heating! Not hearing

Ilikebeans - you are right, my mind is set, in the same way as yours is.
Would you ever vote Tory? If not, your mind is set, in the same way as I would never vote Labour. But I need to be shown the error of my ways apparently as Tory = uncaring.
I fully accept that Labour makes all the right noises, but I think a lot of their policies do not take into account the law of unintended consequences.
So, to take an example.
A pp has directed me to a report by Shelter on homeless families. On MN, private landlords are generally held to be A Bad Thing. Tenants should have more rights, according to Labour. The law of unintended consequence of this would be there would be fewer private landlords, as owning a house you are unable to take possession of does not sound a particularly attractive prospect.
So, where would all the tenants currently living in private tenancies go then? Labour would build more homes. With what? How will they raise the cash? By Taxing The Rich of course, and getting rid of tax dodgers.
Good luck with that - if it were that simple, Governments before would have surely done it, including the last Labour Government. Surely?
Well-intentioned but completely unrealistic would be my summing up of Labour policies at the moment and I am amazed that so many people are falling for it, without thinking of the logistics of how it's actually going to be actioned.

I just genuinely don't believe what I am reading.

I am going back to my bubble. I rather like it there.

You coming Homity?

Yes, OP, I directed you towards the ONS etc statistics too. Assumed you read them.

No, I have never voted Tory (well spotted!) and never would.

But I am not nasty.

I vote 100% out of conviction, ideals and my heart - and proud of it.

Why does it shock you so much that I don't agree with you?

These threads are never likely to end in consensus are they.

cathf

so basically look after the rich (a tiny minority) and screw everybody else because why bother with legislation changes?

Biggrannypants how much has your tax credits been reduced by? Because mine has stayed the same, in fact it went up £5 the other day.

I also did not say all Tories are uncaring. I genuinely believe that Cameron was a compassionate thinker.

One of my dearest friends- who is a counsellor and works closely with people with MH issues and campaigns for MH issues- is a Tory voter.

She is a lovely person and kind as kind comes. I am bewildered by her politics (as I think they are illogical given her concerns) but we simply don't discuss it.

Cath, the left wing can't bear it when people don't agree with them. For them, there are 2 points of view; theirs, and the wrong one LOL.

No user : guess that's our problem. We all want the world to be a vision of our own worlds and mirror our own ideals , I guess.

What would life be without debate?

user - pretty sure cath can't bear it when people don't agree with her ...

Cath - as illustrated above, it doesn't shock me that you disagree or vote differently . The fact that there is a Tory government is a pretty big sign to me that many most people don't!

Your attitude to poverty shocks me.

Why do we persist on taking about 'The Rich'? Do you really think all Conservatives are rich?

No, I have repeatedly said they aren't.

I am also sure I haven't used the word rich.

Maybe you meant that for ghost who is more pithy than me.

@ilovechoc1987 reduced by £80 every 4 weeks, which is a huge amount of money to us. Called HMRC to discuss, told me figures were correct but no explanation. He said I would have to wait for my renewal which could arrive any time up to the end of June. Would not make or discuss changes and wouldn't tell me what had changed. My circumstances have not changed between last year and this year.

This is my second year as a SAHM after having twins in 2015 and not being able to afford childcare x2. I went back to work after my first DC but had no option but to give it up after the twins.

Well done on yours being increased though, that's excellent!! Any little bit is better than nothing

Sorry to hear that ILikeBeans.
But tell me, do you honestly believe that people in the UK are so poor they have no choice but to feed their children dog food? Really?
I am not disputing your mum knew someone who did, but did she really have so little income that she was forced to do that? I don't believe it, sorry.

Brexit was an attack on the global, metropolitan elite, bankers etc. Yet Brexit will supposedly be delivered by the party of free market capitalism, globalisation and banker support.

cath you have dodged my question. My question was, after reading that shelter report, do you still think that there is no poverty in the U.K.? And what about the children in such situations - should they improve their budgeting skills too?

@cathf that's the problem right there, there are people who cannot afford to feed their kids, there are people who have to chose between heating and eating. It's utterly incredible that anyone could think this is an exaggeration. It is not.

User long number but that's just the same with staunch Tories - they also only have one viewpoint theirs and the wrong one. I had a long chat with my lovely auntie who lives in a Cambridge village and was exasperated by her local friends who have always voted Tory, won't change and would not listen to her rational arguments why they might like to review their decision.
There are some of us (me included) who will only ever only vote one way - for example - I would never vote Tory (actually I'm ashamed to say I did once but I was young and mixing with the wrong types).
It's the floating voters who will make a difference to the outcome of the election so trying to convince staunch Labour voters or staunch Tory voters to change their vote is a complete waste of time.

@onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad mixing with the wrong types

My mum didn't know her : she was a social worker until quite recently in Clydebank. It was cat food. And a widespread issue. There was no 'income' to speak of.

Part of her job was to discuss nutrition with people who had no way of getting to a supermarket to buy anything in weekly shop type quantity. Their choices were the chippy or the Londis.

She had to refer a child with Ricketts on more than one occasion.

mixing with the wrong types