To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

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This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

I could point to so many examples in London, but you'll just say "others commit more crime".

It's after midnight. Here they come crawling out of the woodwork...

But of course, because your trying to imply that immigrants commit proportionally more crime, they don't really . I can offer evidence for my claims and have done across the board.

Even where immigrants are over represented in crime statistics, what you find is the data is skewed, because immigrants are more likely to by young, and in the most cases those committing the crimes are male. Yet when compared to the UK population it is always done as a whole, not against the propensity of say, young British males to commit crime, which means that the comparisons are inaccurate.

I've offered evidence to support my claims, can you?

TheNiffler
I hope you have a community who look out for you.

Not immigrants, a particular section of the population. It's a fact. You can't disprove facts.

So you will agree the main issue with crime is men and boys?

Er, Helena, wage councils represented very few workers at abolition and were superseded by the minimum wage. The idea their abolition led to lower wages is laughable.

"It's a fact. You can't disprove facts."

Yet you haven't offered any?

Bill, most economists agree that the while immigration has had an effect on wages, its been very small, a much larger impact on wages has been the removal of collective bargaining and other impacts have had a far larger effect.

"we can calculate that the new paper implies that the impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 percent, over a period of 8 years. With average wages in this sector of about £8 an hour, that amounts to a reduction in annual pay rises of about a penny an hour."

and

Now 1 percent, even over 8 years, is not nothing, especially to relatively low paid workers. But it stretches credulity to suggest that other things – the level of the minimum wage, the decline in trade union power, technological and industrial change – have not had far bigger impacts on pay in these sectors. "

www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/how-smazll-small-impact-immigration-uk-wages#.WPvtCIgrLIU

Bill they were abolished in 1993 by the Tories.

Minimum wage was brought in in 1999 by Labour.

There was those years gap in between where there were jobs paying £1 an hour as mirime has stated above. £1.50 an hour and £50 a week full time (the £50 a week one i applied for . My rent was £48 a week then and there was no WTC at that point for childless ppl either ) another poster on the UC thread had a monthly wage of £220 .

The 1990s was not prosperous for everyone.

Yet you haven't offered any?

I can give plenty on this topic.

Then do so, so far you have simply said things and not supported them.

*CopperRose

Is <a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.nationalreview.com" target="_blank">http://www.nationalreview.comm one of your favourite sources of information? I just had a look to see what sort of stories it likes

Don't be disingenuous, I posted 2 links from that site specifically on the Swedish crime stats.

I cannot recall ever linking to that site before, although if I have, so what?

I read a variety of literature on various wide ranging topics.

"What, like the number of women in this country who would be alive were it not for Eastern European rapists?"

Ah but this doesn't prove that Eastern Europeans are more likely to be rapists or murderers.

Why don't you start with proving that 70% of Wandsworth Prison is Eastern European.

I don't need to "prove" that seeing as it's a fact.

Alice Gross and Pardeep Kaur would be alive today were it not for those vile criminals.

Well you need to show evidence that its a fact, cause it doesn't correlate with the data about 11% of the Prison populaton being Foreign born whilst 13.5 of the population is.

If it is true it means lots of other prisons must have no foreign born prisoners.

Prove it.

"Alice Gross and Pardeep Kaur would be alive today were it not for those vile criminals."

Those were terrible crimes no one is denying that, but what it doesn't show is that Eastern Europeans are more likely to commit those crimes.

What point are you trying to make?

Amy which way will you vote?

You think those lives are worth sacrificing. That sums you up.

The prison population is the UK prison population. You obviously don't understand demographics, sentencing or the distribution of sentenced offenders from court. HMP Northumberland, for example, has a 98% white British population. Scottish prisons similar. If you can't understand how this distorts the demographics, you're not very bright.

If you think EU membership is worth sacrificing lives then that says it all. Nasty.

I'm 17 Helena.

Yes i remember you putting your age on a previous thread. I just wondered if your 18th birthday might be before 8th June.

Who said their lives were worth sacrificing? Two crimes commited by EU immigrants doesn't prove that EU immigrants are dangerous, nor that they commit more crimes.

In fact the rate of conviction of all immigrants is falling, less than 1000 per year at Magistrates and Crown Court since 2004.

www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/immigration-offences-trends-in-legislation-and-criminal-and-civil-enforcement/

"If you think EU membership is worth sacrificing lives then that says it all. Nasty."

Don't be silly.

If I could vote I'd probably vote Tory.

Danny those are two of so many. You're talking about all immigrants, not Eastern Europeans. Me silly? My friend would be alive were it not for your ideological nonsense.

Amy the Tories have cut domestic abuse funding.

How would you square that circle.

If the population of Wandsworth is 70% Eastern European, that means that 1313 prisoners.

Then we can use the data and show that we know that EU immigrants make up about half ( generous) of all the foreign born population of the UK.

Then take the statistics for foreign born convictions, and half them for EU citizens...

Means every Eastern European sent to jail in the last 5 or so years must be in Wandsworth.

Ridiculous claim, that you can't back up

helena wage councils covered too few jobs at abolition to make a meaningful impact overall wages.

And as the minimum wage was introduced in 1999 to replace them, the abolition can't have been the cause of tax credits in 2003.