To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

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This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

Why is divorcing someone over an important issue wrong?

If true, and I'd like a source, that's incredibly immature.

I'm Irish so I have strong feelings on this one, perhaps if the terrorists, sorry British had given us back our country there'd have been no need for the IRA...

I thought the right said we were too sensitive and had no sense of humour! Now he's being criticised for a joke?

The only horrible thing in this is what he did to Diane. If the only error is that, then I'd say he's pretty decent

I haven't rtft, but most of my FB friends are left wing, most are affected by disability in one way or another, most are being screwed over left, right and centre by this Tory government and are scared. They're not scroungers (as Tory propaganda would have us believe), they're decent people struggling to manage under very difficult circumstances, coping with more than the average person can even imagine. They tend to be very vocal about their desire to get a right wing government out, but not because they're NASTY, or aggressive, or workshy, but because it's easy enough to see what the future holds for us if conservatives get in again. Like I said, we're scared.

Plenty of people I know irl are Tory voters and cannot understand the difficulties that the "other side" have, and certainly cannot grasp that people like me and my family don't deserve it in some way; we haven't worked hard enough, we have brought it on ourselves. Many have little comprehension that anyone is susceptible to disability, all it takes is one accident or illness, and there goes your capacity to earn, to keep your children fed. One mental health breakdown and you may be unable (not unwilling, but actually unable) to work for some time, and then not in the capacity that you did before.

Most of the labour voters, or at least non-Tory voters, have been through these hard times, have come through the other side, but are now able to see what cuts to the most vulnerable people does to them, so they would never in a million years vote for a party who would put these cuts in place, even though many of these people are now in secure jobs, some of them high earners.

Neither do the right, the difference is that when the left wing are in power things tend to get better for most people.

Since when?
I voted Brexit because of immigration (shock horror..am I actually admitting that?!🙄)And I'm more then happy for things to change drastically on that front.
The left protests in the street with ridiculous signs saying 'all welcome' etc..but I don't see ANY of you taking refugees in?!

Choc what about immigration bothers you?

".but I don't see ANY of you taking refugees in?!

People do, but that is a poor argument.

Finally a leaver who admitted to voting out because of immigration! You are a rare breed!

Things do get better for most people, living standards for all income groups rose under the last Labour administration, public services were better too, which obviously benefits most people.

Neither do the right, the difference is that when the left wing are in power things tend to get better for most people.

That's entirely subjective and an awful lot of people would strongly disagree with you.

I am solidly in a family which is supposed to be Labours core support. Northern, main breadwinner in a manual profession and earning less than average. The last Labour government was a disaster for people like us. Soaring housing costs, social housing becoming increasingly hard to get due t'pa soaring population but no coherent housing plan. Yes we got tax credits, but that less than covered the wages my husband lost on the ascension of Poland to the EU and didn't cover rises in things like housing at all. Unless you were in the public sector, on benefits, in social housing, wanting to migrate here, bought your house before 1997 or in the wealthier classes it's very hard to see how people's lives got better.

And that's most people. Swathes of working and lower middle class private sector workers were just left behind.

Things do get better for most people, living standards for all income groups rose under the last Labour administration, public services were better too, which obviously benefits most people.

Can you link to where you're quoting this from please?

I find it a very dubious claim.

You might not agree with Corbyn's opinions - and perhaps he is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land - but does he actually espouse any policy that is, by any vaguely objective index, abhorrent, and does he have any appalling actions to his name - the sort of actions that lead the disabled or the mentally ill to suicide, say?

Nasty is as nasty does...

This is the thing the OP was on about, guilt by association and framing of arguments to appeal to emotion.

If you didn't believe in the latest bogey man of ~~russia~~ right wing media brain washing then some of Corbyns "friends" have very abhorrent views and actions...

Does Corbyn have any appalling actions to his name?

This article is a pretty good précis of Jeremy Corbyn As Supreme Leader thus far:

www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.739891

The house price increases were down to the market deregulation under Thatcher, and a significant period of economic growth ( under Labour) increasing prosperity for the majority.

Immigration lowers wages for the bottom 10 percent but very marginally, its been proven on several occasions.

Schools, hospitals and most other public services were better funded and in the NHS waiting times lowered significantly.

Social housing was harder to get because councils had been forbidden to build under the Tories, admittedly Labour didn't do enough, but blaming them for social housing being difficult to get is incorrect.

Wages grew year on year, in real terms for most of the Labour term, boosted by the minimum wage ( another Labour policy).

The problem with some private sector industries and wages has been the removal of unions ( Tory policy) which means that bargaining power is lowered for the worker, in favour of the employer.

Had Labour tried to bring something in to correct this there would have been howls of derision from across the board, it was politically very difficult.

Lives improved for most people under Labour.

So tell me Bill, what particular policies have improved your life that the Tories have brought in?

Things do get better for most people, living standards for all income groups rose under the last Labour administration, public services were better too, which obviously benefits most people

Problem is that we have to white wash 13 years of labour to try and say some of the things that we are facing today where exasperated under labour, we usually end up in a no true Scotsman argument

Dannythechampion how many refugees have you taken in?
Your fellow alt-left winger JK Rowling with her many mansions hasn't taken in many either? Come to think of it neither has bono, Gary Lineker or Lilly Allen?

Instead of virtue signalling on social media and waving your placards, why don't you actually DO something!?
There are millions of left wingers who absolutely love all the refugees, why don't you all donate some space in your houses for one?
I'm sure they'd love to share a room with your Children, or your grandmothers..Iv heard they're all really nice.

I've just watched Thursday's Newsnight where Corbyn was grilled on his policies and then there was a puff piece reassuring Middle England that Theresa May had a man behind her so it was OK to vote for her. It was shocking!

"Living standards have grown during Labour’s time in office. Between 1996–97 and 2008–09, real household disposable incomes grew by 2.0% per year on average. However, this growth has not been evenly spread over ti me. Real household disposable income grew by over 3% per year on average in Labour’s first term, by 2% per year in its second term and by less than 1%per year in its third term."

www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn89.pdf

Maybe you had to be alive and aware during Thatchers years to know the true devastation she wrought a country. So much so I heard people disappointed that the Brighton bombings didn't affect their true target. The person who instigated the intense hate in Northern Ireland which was Thatcher. They were up for negotiating, she had her own game she was playing that affected the lives of many, not failing to mention all those who lost well to do jobs because of Thatcher. All those hard working souls her were reduced to signing on of a week. Oh and why was Incapacity Benefit introduced, because so many were seeking work they needed another benefit so those there figures of unemployment didn't look so bad.

My Dad finally found work a job he stuck to for over 20 years, to be thrown aside again, being paid minimum in redundancy fees, because of his greedy rich Tory supporting boss who sunk to very low depths to make a fortune out of another group of the poor and unworthy. A slum landlord who to this day dissects houses, once family houses into rooms so he can reap every penny possible, getting the monthly fee of renting a property in a week, by renting rooms!

Nice little cloistered world y'all live in there. People taken advantage of, golden handshakes and all, to move houseless people who once owned houses, into a single room of a house he bought cheap monopolising on others misfortune.

Hi Pink I can't link very well from the device I'm using but if you want to know more then go to google scholar and search for Glasgow effect inequalities

If you haven't used google scholar before it is useful for looking for published academic work and saves you having to trawl through the main google search engine which can bring up all sorts of nonsense.

Ilivechoc, tu qouque is a flawed argument.

For one yuodon't know what people's own charity arrangements are, nor those of the people you are criticising.

Protest and putting pressure on governments to do something to help IS doing something. Getting political change on the attitudes towards refugees is doing something.

www.adamsmith.org/blog/stop-saying-virtue-signalling

I agree OP. I don't consider myself to be either hard right or left but I do tend to see more vitriol on Facebook and the like from my friends that are more to the left.
That is just my observation!

mirime You will find this thread an interesting read. I posted the same as you did here. I also remember the VERY VERY low hourly wages back in the mid to late 90s. I also posted a link in this linked thread about the Tories abolition of the Wages Councils back in 1993.

I even had a poster tell me i must have been remembering it wrong as there were no such very low waged jobs back then. Some people really do believe that if it hasnt happened to them then it didnt happen at all.

Here..........................
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2888464-Can-someone-tell-me-why-Universal-Credits-are-really-bad?pg=1

Dannythechampion I don't really want to put pressure on the government thanks
The mass rapes all across Sweden and Germany is enough evidence to tell us that having mass refugees come over, is not a good idea.
Again how much do YOU do for refugees?..feeling sorry for them doesn't count.

Has this not got something to do with most left wingers being 'ideals' driven?
Therefore they are likely to be more vocal and passionate.
Obviously there will be vocal people on both sides and at the very extremes some very nasty people.
However moderate left wingers will be more vocal than moderate right winger imo because usually people who are moderately right wing, are so for more practical and financial reasons than for idealistic reasons.

"The mass rapes all across Sweden and Germany is enough evidence to tell us that having mass refugees come over, is not a good idea. "

Its funny that German and Swedish crime statistics don't support your claim. So no its not enough evidence.