To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

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This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

Presumably you mean a discussion with your spin on it Danny?

" have seen left wing posters do repeatedly on threads. Get very personal and nasty to try and goad right wing posters into retaliating so they can report it."

See that's a right wing one too, I'd agree that it does happen from the left too, but both sides are guilty.

Some left wing people are nasty, but certainly less so than right wing people in my experience.
I think left wing people are more passionate so can often get a bit overzealous, but it usually is because their heart is in the right place.

Bit patronising Danny. Don't you think that those of us who vote Tory have actually done our own research on their economics, and therefore have reached the decision on which way to vote all by ourselves? Typically you are going with the 'myth' that all Tory voters don't have a clue what we're voting for and need the wisdom of a left leaning supporter to educate us.

Did I say Tory voters, I said those who use the term "basic economics", of any kind.

Although I would argue that the myth that the Tory party sell about economic competence is that, a myth.

Well you indicate 'conservatives' and the myth of their economics etc in your post a Danny, so I obviously assumed that you were addressing those that voted for them - Tories.

No, there are a lot of people who use the term "basic economics" and then go on to make lots of errors.

What about the racist abuse that Diane Abbott has had to put up with. Since the start of Brexit we have seen people in their nastiest moments. Let's not forget the labour mp who was killed last year Joe Cox she was passionate about the European Union and immigration and the man who killed her viewed her as a traitor. Both of these women are/were labour MPs and one of them unfortunately lost their life.

Don't you think that those of us who vote Tory have actually done our own research on their economics...

No, I think most don't. But I think most voters no matter who they vote for don't look that deeply into the policies and history of the party they support.

I think left wing people are more passionate so can often get a bit overzealous, but it usually is because their heart is in the right place.

Bless.

Ahhh so a poster on this thread moaned about Helena talking about cunts. But forgot to mention its in retaliation to saying cuntish things about carers.

Sounds about right. Say horrible things about poor people, disabled people and carers then whine when told about themselves.

Well, OP, your goady little thread has amply demonstrated that it's not just 'left wing supporters' who are 'nasty'.

Oh yes, and all the nasty comments regarding benefit claimants, refugees, immigrants, the derogatory remarks about "life choices."

TBF I think one Katie Hopkins on the right, trumps any posters on the left making nasty comments.

user1491678180 You are Nigel Farage and I claim my £5

Actually I think its also a function of the fact that a lot of people become more 'left' when they see the dramatic effects of inequity and the illogical position of people in the same country trying to take resources from their fellow citizens.

One of the effects of that inequity is to massively increase ones frustration at the inability of the right to hear that equitable support for a whole nation's citizens benefits everyone more than fighting with each other.

To make an anaology, a conservative's house party would be considered a success if two people at the party had a nice time, but everyone else had a awful time.

I've worked in a department I was fairly junior in on a project to educate the department heads to realise that a collective game (us together against the competition) gave every participant a bigger gain in their overall international standing than the existing culture where each department head fought every other department head for resources and exposure - what happens then is you may have a top dog locally, but overall your department loses resources, and standing against the competition, so instead of everyone getting say 1.5 points and overall the department gains 15 points, they would be happier with the top three people in the department gaining 1.5 each and the rest of the department going down to 0.5 point each.. so overall the department's resources go down, and the top three gain, but there is no collaborative gain overall. The first accelerates income that can be used to generate further accelerate, the second limits any future gain.

Similarly I worked in sales departments where there was no team commission and sales people were encouraged to steal leads off others to get individual totals higher, and one sales person got a prize each week. What happened there was the 'top' sales person worked as hard on damaging her colleagues' performances as she did on improving her own (the conservatives' approach) and seemed to be 'doing well' but in fact from the company's point of view they had 30 demotivated staff every month, and a top sales person who was underperforming.

This is what conservative policy promotes - a 'within the UK' one-upmanship, rather than ensuring overall country performance - some people do well out of that but overall we lose ground against other economies, and have the most unproductive companies in europe - and its clearly getting progressively worse.

Horridhenryrule; but what relevance is your post on Dianne Abbot and Jo Cox to this thread? Jo Coxes killer was someone with mental health issues, who it was alleged had extreme right wing views. Dianne Abbot states she has received racist comments, but the comments could have come from anyone - you get racists in every party. Surely you're not blaming any of the above on voters who are to the right?

Abraiid2 They're usually passionate and overzealous because they, or someone they know has bore the brunt of right wing government policies which massively disadvantage vulnerable people.

I'm a Leftie.

I think people on the left are often really, really angry about direct threats embodied by (I'm going to say it) rich Tories. So, yeah, they might be more vocal, and sound a bit more wound-up, if, say, they are disabled and just struggling by, and some bastard is desperate to cut their income, or, say, they're gay and thinking back to when certain bigoted Tories currently in power voted against same-sex marriage, and it still hurts, you know, on a deeply personal level. Or they're an immigrant... I could go on.

Anger sounds nasty. Don't screw people over, and no one will turn that nasty anger on you...

you get racists in every party

Well, yeah... but you get more in some parties.

I have been accused at least twice on this thread of being 'goady'.
Can I not ask a question?

Coming late to this but misskelly do you have any further info on the Glasgow effect? Interested! :)

needsahalo 'people like me' ARE prepared to listen. You have misunderstood. Labour really is a wasted vote where I live but I am dithering between conservative and Lib Dems.

However, my wider point was that people reeling off a list of bad things that have happened and then making the electorate personally responsible isn't going to turn said electorate round.

I used to be very liberal but - sorry - I think Blair was worse than Thatcher in terms of the damage done. That might just be because I was very young when thatcher was in power whereas I was fifteen in 1997 and retrospectively i do think things went very, very wrong.

Hmmm.

I'm in the strange position of being:

A lifelong Labour voter

A Labour party member

A Brexiteer

Someone who will either abstain or vote Tory this election

Britain and of course the rest of the world is a very confusing place right now.

But anyway, OP I agree with you. I've been disgusted by left wing comments and accusations esp since last June.

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