To think she should have informed me her kids are unvaccinated?

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I went to antenatal yoga with a lovely teacher, who then visited my house with her two children once my baby was born. I also attended her baby group several times with my DS, and her children were also present.

I've just found out that she's an anti-vaxxer, and I cannot stop thinking about the fact that she exposed my tiny baby to her unvaccinated kids, without my knowledge! AIBU to think she should have informed me before bringing her kids to my house, knowing my baby was too young to have been vaccinated yet?

And what about all the babies at the group - I get that it's her personal choice to not vaccinate (though I am vehemently against it) but as she is acting in a professional capacity surely she should be informing parents that her unvaccinated children will be there? I certainly would have thought twice about taking my DS before his vaccinations.

I'm irresponsible for suggesting people make their own minds up? Interesting....

For some, the NHS advice is enough and that's fine. Others like to question more. That is absolutely right.

No one knows why the following conditions are generally increasing. Childhood cancer. Diabetes type 1. Asthma. Peanut allergies. Eczema. Autoimmune diseases generally.

I suspect a lot is due to shite diet and lack of exercise. But I would love to see some proper research into whether the current vaccination schedule could be responsible.

When I mentioned my concerns to my GP, whilst refusing the flu jab in pregnancy, he agreed it there were lots of unknowns and he recommended his wife not to get it.

I would love to speak to an immunologist. Not fucking likely though!

And that immunologist is unlikely to soothe my troubled mind to be honest.

By the way, my kids have, by and large, been vaccinated. But no bloody flu vaccines or rota vaccines and certainly not the one for the cervical cancer virus until a LOT has been cleared up.

mock me all you like. Your child - your choice.

My kids aren't vaccinated and I've never thought twice about them meeting children of friends.
In all fairness you are just as likely to rub shoulders with unvaccinated children in Tesco/church/on the bus.
Pretty sure if one of her kids was unwell she would tell you. The only disease you realistically might have to worry about is whooping cough which has obvious symptoms...and if you believe the vax works and had in pregnancy there's no need for alarm

And therein lies the problem with your view, Charlie - you admit that you've wound yourself up so much that not even an immunologist could convince you!

I must admit the mmr concerned me because of the mumps component.
There is a strong history of type 1 diabetes in my family (me and my dad and several other less close family members) and although it is only partly genetic one of the trigger viruses has been suggested to be mumps. Given that the mmr is live I figure I am introducing mumps to my child's system - could that in turn cause a genetic predisposition to type 1 diabetes to occur?

They've still had the mmr. But it did and does worry me.

I have spoken to an immunologist and a infectious disease specialist. They were both absolutely pro vax for healthy dcs as there is such a thing as herd imunity which protects their patients (those with immuno- defiecency)

Applebite You're a great one for ignoring the inconvenient truth that you recommended non-existent tests.

Oh come on atenco. You can't really be this one sided!

Nobody said there was one obvious test. You showed a lack of ability in the arena of science by even googling it. But if you have a family history, you could have tests done for things that might give a predisposition to an issue with a vaccine, for example. That's the kind of thing that an expert can advise on.

Not google!

YANBU

Toddlers are vectors they spread the diseases, as adults most of us are immune even to things we were not vaccinated against through life. It wouldn't have taken much just to run it past the OP.

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Actually, I'm quite happy to have been given my curious brain. It has served me well in many aspects of life and I have learnt to trust it.

I am not even sure an immunologist would be any more informative. We have a lack of research, and increasingly unhealthy children.

increasingly unhealthy children

Compared to........?

Your curious brain must be able to see the errrr 'issues' with this massively unscientific statement.

Agreed lazycrazyhazy - all she had to do was mention it to the OP in passing. If visiting someone with a baby, surely this is just normal?

Dear lord. Increasingly unhealthy children..... compared to WHAT and WHEN??! Which country and period of history did you have in mind, precisely?

And how have you adjusted for differences in diagnostics etc?

You are denying that allergies, asthma, food allergies, childhood cancer and autoimmune conditions (to name but a few) are not increasing?

Errrr, ok then!

Listen, my lovely mumsnetters, I think on this note, this conversation is done.

If you disagree with even this, then ain't nothing for us to discuss

Are those conditions increasing or are we simply diagnosing them more?

Food allergies? You would have died of measles or malnutrition before that ever got picked up!

Diagnosing and reporting them more. There was no Facebook 50 years ago.

Funny how a "curious mind" is actually a closed mind when faced with facts that don't agree with it!

Cheers, Charlie

Food allergies? You would have died of measles or malnutrition before that ever got picked up!

How far back are you going?

Charlie didn't answer that question when I asked it, bumbley.

When my DH (in his 50s) was a child he had asthma but there were no inhalers. Plus a link to pets and smoking had not been identified, and he lived in a house with a cat and a smoker. He had to struggle on - he said it was torturous. Luckily his asthma wasn't all that bad. If it had been worse he would have been a "sickly child with a weak chest" and possibly have died either from an asthma attack or from a chesty cold which his asthma rendered unsurvivable. He then would have been unable to breed and thus pass his atopic genes on to our child who has severe food allergies and asthma.