To think she should have informed me her kids are unvaccinated?

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I went to antenatal yoga with a lovely teacher, who then visited my house with her two children once my baby was born. I also attended her baby group several times with my DS, and her children were also present.

I've just found out that she's an anti-vaxxer, and I cannot stop thinking about the fact that she exposed my tiny baby to her unvaccinated kids, without my knowledge! AIBU to think she should have informed me before bringing her kids to my house, knowing my baby was too young to have been vaccinated yet?

And what about all the babies at the group - I get that it's her personal choice to not vaccinate (though I am vehemently against it) but as she is acting in a professional capacity surely she should be informing parents that her unvaccinated children will be there? I certainly would have thought twice about taking my DS before his vaccinations.

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I think you'll find the yoga teacher has been called a cunt and a twat by numerous oafs and op agreed with them. I was called a loon by op after a perfectly cogent post hence my retort. The nastiness and insults always come from the pro vaxxers who seem increasingly desperate and shrill.

More"evidence based" than having a vaccinated and non vaccinated dc I can't imagine. To be sooo trusting and deferential to doctors/politicians often awarded kick backs and bribes by big pharma and regurgitating their propaganda is often the extent of your "reasoned arguments".

Nothing wrong with doing research on the internet. It's a vast library that takes a modicum of nous and discernment to navigate.

Yep certainly the non vaxxers never resort to name calling
It's always the vaxxers

I think it's because the way some non vaxxers go on its like "I'm so enlightened and am not vaccinating my child because I can see the conspiracy and you cant" it just drives people mad.

It doesn't justify name calling but I can totally see how if you're met with theory after theory (& at times just total falsehoods!) people end up saying things like 'kiss go and sit with your tin foil hat on'.

Well, DBs and I had exactly the same vaccines and diseases, great. One of us is allergic to everything and has awful asthma and eczema. I have allergies to cats and dust and no eczema. Other has no allergies but gets awful psoriasis and eczema.

So that's your anecdotal evidence out anecdoted. Because one anecdote means jack shit!

Really quite frightening the number of people who think they know best. Newsflash: your kids are safer because other people vaccinate theirs and you piggyback on that. That is the only reason.

Nowt wrong with research on the internet?

How are you testing this "research" then? Because it just sounds like a case of itchy google finger at the moment!

Depends on what you're reading after googling.

I believe Google can be a reputable source of information, particularly if you are searching via google scholar and are able to decipher and understand the information?

Name calling is irrelevant. The overwhelming body of scientific evidence says you should vaccinate.

Of course we should challenge professionals when there is an issue to discuss. But there isn't. The case for vaccines has been made time and again. To dispute the evidence is wilful stupidity.

Sometimes in the face of breath taking stupidity calling someone a stupid cunt who sticks turmeric up their arse may well be a valid response.

Sinuous hints AGAIn, bumbley? Don't you ever get bored with them?!

And, er, no. It depends on a lot more than that. E.g. The experience of the reader and their ability to decipher complex medical papers.

What kind of 'complex medical papers' do you think people need to be able to read?

If you even have to ask that, how can you recommend that people google and "do research"?!

Google 'turmeric and arse'

Complex medical papers indeed.

There's a reason newborns were not exposed to outsiders for the first month or so.

YANBU to be unhappy at this yoga teacher's behaviour in knowingly compromising your baby.

I would be pissed if someone did similar to my puppy who had not yet had all his jabs and brought along an unvaccinated dog to our house let alone expose my baby to killer viruses.

It really depends on what information you're looking for.

The full-form vaccine inserts can be googled for a start.

I often translate complex medical papers and google for terminology, turning up complex medical papers in the process. The thing about google is you can check whether a site is reputable or not.

Apple you're missing my point. it's not about me saying my experience proves anything. I'm aware an anecdote is just that. i'm saying that what happened to my dd was the scariest thing i've ever seen and has shaped my way of thing and made it so I would rather risk an illness like measles because I never want to go through that again. I'm saying that my 'fear' of vaccine is just as valid as your 'fear' of measles. I don't blame you for wanting to vaccinated based on your experience. So, just try and use your empathy chip to work out why i'd rather not vaccinate, eh?

way of thinking* not thing...

'There's a reason newborns were not exposed to outsiders for the first month or so. '

Since when have newborns not been exposed to the outside world?

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Since when have newborns not been exposed to the outside world?

Standard parenting advice - see below.

"But it's best to avoid large, crowded, enclosed places with poor ventilation (like the mall) until your baby is 6 to 8 weeks, which limits her exposure to airborne germs that could be dangerous for her immature immune system."

www.parents.com/advice/babies/newborn-care/can-i-take-a-newborn-out-in-public/

I am quite selfish about this, now my kids are vaccinated, I couldn't give 2 fucks what the wachos do with their kids. But when they were tiny we had a friend who wanted to 'delay them' because obviously her baby was more special that the rest of them. We didn't see her while the kids were newborn. She did wake up eventually and did get all the jabs and she even admits now what a knob she was about the whole thing. I know we would pass unvaxxed people in the street etc, but not quite the same as having one in your own home is it?

And as a side note, our private school asked for details of vaccinations when we joined. Not sure what they would say if we were like "no, we don't believe in science so decided to just risk it and hope they don't get it." I presume as a private school they could not admit your kids if they were a health risk to the others.

Halo, I don't think they can refuse entry. Vaccines aren't compulsory in the U.K.

halo if they didn't admit kids who weren't vaccinated that would be discriminating against those who weren't vaccinated on medical advice.

It varies between states but in the US vaccinations before starting school are compulsory. Obviously exceptions are made but they need to be medically justified.
I don't see why a UK school couldn't implement a similar system with medical exemptions.