To think she should have informed me her kids are unvaccinated?

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I went to antenatal yoga with a lovely teacher, who then visited my house with her two children once my baby was born. I also attended her baby group several times with my DS, and her children were also present.

I've just found out that she's an anti-vaxxer, and I cannot stop thinking about the fact that she exposed my tiny baby to her unvaccinated kids, without my knowledge! AIBU to think she should have informed me before bringing her kids to my house, knowing my baby was too young to have been vaccinated yet?

And what about all the babies at the group - I get that it's her personal choice to not vaccinate (though I am vehemently against it) but as she is acting in a professional capacity surely she should be informing parents that her unvaccinated children will be there? I certainly would have thought twice about taking my DS before his vaccinations.

But mulled - nobody is saying that. What is being said here is, would you add an extra risk that could be avoided by bringing non vaccinated children, who may well mix with other non vax families, into your home when you have a newborn?

And if you would, fine - but surely it's only common courtesy that you be given the choice? Which the OP was not, and by someone who makes a living from pregnant women and newborns!

No one is saying vaccines are 100% safe. Nothing is. They do carry a risk and it is a bastard if you are the unlucky one. But the risk is much lower than that of the diseases, unless you have other conditions.

Risk assessment is part of the basic skillset needed by all adults. Blubbing that anti VAX statements get sneered at is not risk assessment.

I still wait the reply from the person who said that vaccines don't work as to why there is no smallpox now.

YANBU - I've been shaking my head at many of the comments on this thread. Especially all the ones about the unvaccinated people at supermarkets, on the street etc. The OP didn't invite them in to her home. Children are also a lot more likely to touch everything (and spread germs) compared to adults.
I'm surprised this woman is allowed to operate her business like that. I would hope she's up to date with her jabs, but her children shouldn't be at her workplace endangering pregnant women.
When enrolling our children in school we have to supply their vax records. Childcare centres here have the right to refuse a place for that child if they aren't vaccinated. If parents choose not to vaccinate their children they no longer get any welfare payments from the government.
There have also been a few cases where unvaccinated children have then caught a disease & the parents have then gone down a holistic route in trying to heal them. This has not ended well for the children.
Sometimes, despite the risks, you need to leave their health in the hands of the professionals.

Yabu and utterly ridiculous.

Maybe just shut yourself in the house 365 days a year or accept that people will make choices you might not agree with. Maybe you do some things that she considers risky?

Sure Lottie. And when the OP does those things without prior warning or consent in the yoga teacher's home, in front of her newborn baby, that will be a great point. Until then,

Yanbu
she is free to make her own decisions but needs to understand the consequences to other people, I'm not sure how you tackle that though.

Oh for heavens sake

What about all the adults who haven't been vaccinated against these diseases who the OP undoubtedly invites into her home at various times during the year.

The whole adults weren't vaccinated argument is ridiculous! I wasn't vaccinated as a child and so actually had the illnesses therefore have the immunity.

I swear society is getting stupider.

But once the baby has been vaccinated, that won't matter. Until then, she may well ask - I certainly did. When DD was tiny, we also asked people not to come with colds etc. It's only for a short time until they are bigger and vaccinated as far as possible, after all. It's hardly a major lifestyle change!

Suck it up - you had polio, diphtheria, meningitis? (Actually, you may have had polio without realising but still...)

The whole point of this post is about reducing risk.

Does anyone think travelling in a car is risk free? No. So that is why we strap on a seatbelt - to reduce the risk as far as we can. Why take an unnecessary risk, or make the journey riskier?

The point about trying to reduce exposure to a newborn is the same. You can think it's bollocks if you like, but why does that mean the OP should be forced to have your bollocks dangled in her newborn's face??!!

Yanbu at all. It was very thoughtless and dangerous.

As for adults, even my mother was vaccinated as a child, so I'm wondering what age these unvaccinated adults must be?

Well hmmm let me weigh this up.

The weight of considered medical opinion across all countries and continents. Real, hard, science.
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I googled this article. My best friend's sister's baby......

Now, we do have to challenge governments and intellectually engage with ideas and techniques put forward by scientists, but, this is not a marginal idea. This is mainstream science.

Some of the arguments put forward on this thread beggar belief with their stupidity and demonstrate a fundamental inability to grasp either simple science and statistics.

Olympia, they mean all the vaccines on the current schedule. There are a lot more vaccines now than when I was child and I don't consider myself to be particularly old!

"Considered medical opinion" or quacks in the pockets of big pharma? One person's peer reviewed evidence is another's paid for colluding flim flam. If you pro vaxxers are willing to put your dc's LONG TERM health at risk by rushing obediently to vax the hell out of them for every newly invented mass media generated health scare don't hate on the questioning ones unwilling to do so.

I live in a country where an ex minister of health was sentenced to a prison sentence in the 90s for receiving bribes from a pharma company to add more vaccinations to the schedule.

Fwiw dc1 is vaxxed and dc2 is not. The former is plagued with allergies, auto immune ailments, mild adhd and overall poor health whereas the latter is in robust health with barely a snuffle and well balanced.

Most of the diseases that vaccines are credited with diminishing were on the way out anyway with the ushering in of the welfare state. Hardly surprising some are reemerging as the social safety net is being destroyed.

Trump cosied up to a prominent anti vaxxer whilst campaigning in fake posturing to the idiot anarchic alt right troglodytes he needed on board. Since election he's been perfectly integrated into big pharma's stranglehold on government and has appointed their lobbyists to key positions.

Being anti vax is actually to be anti profiteering at the expense of our dc's health which I guess what makes you pro vaxxers so damn angry and unpleasant as you must know you can't trust governments beholden to financial interests to do what's in our best interests. But you do it anyway.

Well, the 'health professionals' in my country advocate hep b vaccination for ALL newborns (i.e within the first 24 hours of life) The only risk to such tiny infants is infection from an infected mother, during birth. Having tested negative for hep b infection during my pregnancy, and having pretty much zero risk factors for contracting it anyway (no intravenous drug use, no multiple sexual partners, no unprotected sex with someone indulging in the afore mentioned) I refused this vaccine for my hours old infant. I get that there is a risk that a few vulnerable pregnant infected women, particularly addicts, might fail to attend prenatal screening and risk birthing an infected child. But whether this justifies a policy of blanket medication of all newborns with a powerful immune stimulant is surely a matter that can be debated? Not where I live. Be careful. You may end up living there too.

I see hep b is about to be added to the UK's infant schedule. Madness.

Yes, I saw that gingerpuss. I've been reading the JCVI minutes to see why they decided to introduce it

@hottotrotsky I'm sorry but you just sound like a ranting, tinfoil hat-wearing loon. You offer no evidence to back up your assertions, and that old chestnut of 'many diseases were on the decline before vaccinations anyway' is just not true. If you read some actual science rather than relying on stuff you read on the internet you might actually learn something.

Also, to say some diseases are on the rise due to the decline of the welfare state?! umm no, they're on the rise because people like you refuse to vaccinate your children on the basis of conspiracy theories and nonsense 'research' that has been so widely discredited by actual science that it's simply laughable.

Some of them are on the rise (WC, TB and mumps) because the vaccines aren't as effective as originally thought/immunity wanes sooner than expected.

Can't stop laughing at hottotrotsky. Brilliant satire.

I hope.

The mumps part of the mmr isn't great. I know a number of adults who have had mumps (mainly at university) despite having the mmr. My understanding is that not only does the mumps part wane it is also the least likely to work in the first place whereas I think two doses of mmr gives 98% protection for measles and rubella it isn't as high for mumps.

The issue with this I guess is that a bit catching mumps pre puberty isn't as bad a man catching mumps when an adult. 25% of mumps infections as children are asymptomatic although mumps of course can have complications too.

boy not bit!

Bumbley, I assume it's as part of the UK's commitment to Healthy People 2020 or whatever the program is called - the program that advocates uniform vaccine schedules across all nations. I read an article (in the Mail) that hep b is indeed on the rise, but not pediatric hep b. It's in migrants from Eastern European countries where hep b is endemic, presumably due to a lack of maternal screening programs.