AIBU to not understand why "normal" people vote Tory?

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OK, so I'll probably get flamed for this but am genuinely interested! All the people I know who vote Tory are pretty well off so use private schools and healthcare. As a family we need the NHS and we need a good education system - and I can't see them getting any better under the Tories. Are these just not priorities for Tory voters or do they really believe they will improve even with a Conservative government?

Oh well, a Telegraph quote. That won't be biased

Super but nobody is talking about 'punishing' those people. Are you saying these people don't exist. I posted this in response to a PP who said that every wealthy person has worked hard for that wealth.

but nobody is talking about 'punishing' those people. Are you saying these people don't exist. I posted this in response to a PP who said that every wealthy person has worked hard for that wealth.

You are. The Labor answer is always to increase taxes on the rich.

Of course they exist. Just like intergenerational welfare dependence exists, and just like dole bludgers exist. It's disingenuous to suggest that it doesn't.

At some point, a person worked hard for that wealth. Upon that person's death, what do you think should happen to it? Should it go to their family members or whomever they choose to leave it to, or should it be taken by the government and distributed among the lower earning population?

I hope LouKout and the other poster have read my third post. Abstaining will not mean Tory. Constituencies do differ from each other, you know... Mine will go LibDem, which isn't what I want even though I was a Remainer. I am unrepresented. If I vote Tory I am endorsing Brexit which is not what I voted for in 2015 and 2016. There are tons of Tory Remainers in swing constituencies.

I read the last bit yes.

You still misunderstood what i meant though.

And indeed used that to insult me.

I read the posts about an abstention being a Tory vote and didn't understand them. Praps I am thick but in a constituency you vote for an MP. Where I am the (safe) incumbent is SNP. A no vote would be for SNP?

Can anyone explain?

Remember a spoiled ballot is tallied and can be. Used to send a message too.

Well if everyone abstained and all the incumbents were reelected who would be in the government.

You don't have to be rich to vote Tory, surely people vote for what suits their vision, morals and ideals.

I've not benefited much under a Tory government but would still vote for them as it's not all about personal gain.

They were the only ones willing to say the benefits system was a shambles that needed an overhaul. They've made good headway, not far enough but a decent start.

I want the future generations to have high aspirations and a work ethic, that's not going to happen whilst we fund people's lifestyle choices. Children should be reaching for the stars not turning into adults who do nothing or little but expect to be looked after financially by others.

I bet it doesnt feel like a good start to people who cant afford to eat, or have lost their houses, or even died.

The problem is not that the Tories (and the current bunch are pretty hardcore, I miss Cameron to be honest) does not want to fund peoples lifestyles like some put it, but that they cut benefits to those in need making life tough or impossible. Are they people just supposed to get a better wirk ethic and be more aspirational?

I would guess that most people in work perceive that they work hard - whether they are a cleaner or a CEO.

And I entirely agree. I didn't say richer people worked harder I said that there is nothing wrong with equating wealth with hard work because there is usually a correlation. It is is exactly this dialogue that makes me feel as though Labour don't want anyone to be wealthy at all and if you are then you must be some sort of amoral bastard. A previous poster has said it's the Tories that pit people against each other but I disagree-Labour make being comfortably off something that people feel they should apologise for because other people are not, and if you dare to say you've worked hard for it, people will say-as above-that it's a statement which is a slight on the less well off because it's saying you've worked harder.

t. I posted this in response to a PP who said that every wealthy person has worked hard for that wealth.

And that is not what I said at all. I said that Labour will never make the correlation that the majority of wealth is earned. I do not understand why it is seen as a heinous crime to state that wealthy people are usually-not always-hard workers. It doesn't automatically state that those with less don't work hard at all...unless that's what you want to read.

Wealthy people are not usually hard workers any more than people working for low wages are.

Since the 60's the UK has had 7 Tory governments, 7 Labour and one Coalition.

In this time the UK has slipped down the world rankings in just about every league table there is - particularly education.
The NHS and Social care budgets are higher than they have ever been, yet there are still massive problems and inequalities in the distribution and delivery of these services.

I have never known of a particular political party that is NOT going to "fix" the NHS, social care, housing, benefits, education, immigration, employment, penal system, banking, terrorism & the economy.

But we are still struggling with all these things after 60 bloody years of governance pretty evenly split across the two major political parties.

Corbyn is unelectable.
I don't trust labour on the economy or that they won't drag the UK into another war.
Lib Dems don't appear to have any policies
UKIP have only one policy.

I am voting Tory because they are the lesser of 3 evils.

Why don't you trust them with the economy? In case they borrow more than ever and increase the deficit like the Tories

I just watched the latest Labour Party election broadcast. If anything would ever make you vote Tory its that. I rushed straight to the toilet and vomited. It was the shittist shit shit show.

"Corbyn is unelectable."

I do wish people would stop saying this.

Corbyn is electable. Arrogantly declaring him unelectable is plainly false: he wouldn't be where he is now if he was unelectable.

Corbyn is a Gamma Male. Labour has form for being led by Beta Males (Miliband is your ultimate Beta Male) and failing to win elections. A Gamma Male leader is a change of style but not a better election prospect.

He wasnt a gamma male when he fought off the leadership challenge.

Yes he was. That was why he won it!

I do wish people would stop saying this ..."Corbyn is unelectable."

What people mean is that Corbyn is unelectable as a Prime Minister. No one is denying that he can get the hard left to vote for him.

Judging by the polls, its correct, he is pretty much unelectable.

Why don't you trust them with the economy?

The deregulation of Banks, PFI, pension raids, stock market crash, banking crisis, stealth taxes, selling off 60% of the UK gold reserves and thinking the best way to solve any problem is to throw taxpayers money at it.

No, what they actually mean is, they hope people won't vote for his party in the forthcoming GE.

Do tell where and when you managed to watch this Labour broadcast that had such a distressing effect on your guts, by the way...

Oh yes, the global banking and markets crisis that was of course caused by Labour...or not