Corbyn is lovely, why the negativity?

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Really, why?
Just because he's a bit different in his presentation. He in principled and compassionate, I for one wish he would become the PM.

I also don't quite understand the negativity.

I don't find him 'lovely' and I'm amazed by anyone who does. I find him vain and weak. I'm furious with him about his failure to provide an effective opposition to the government. im a Labour Party member.

Vain and weak.

Perfectly apt description IMO.

i understand the negativity - he's lost, if you can't see the tories rubbing their hands with glee you're not watching them. May did not need to call this election, she already has a fine working majority.

She simply thinks against this opposition she can bag a whole lot more seats and have an unassailable position to push through Brexit. Should give ANY leader of the opposition a lot of serious soul searching.

Personally I think the Labour Party deserve a much better leader.

The whole country deserves a better leader for the Labour party.

But the Labour Party have given him a huge mandate, twice now..

@gillybeanz it's sadly your ignorance that hurts the country as opposed to people voting the way they feel.

How about, successful people who don't like supporting the less motivated vote Tory. Those who enjoy their lives being sponsored by the state vote for the left.

@OP Corbyn is weak and not fit for any senior role let alone leading the country. Remember his lie about a seat on the train. It isn't so much the lie as the stupidity that made it clear in that one incident that he shouldn't be in charge of anything of significance.

Principled!? Yes....

you know he has spent his trident budget about 7 times over? He has no idea of the reality of how to run a country, all this money he wants to give to the disadvantaged has to come from somewhere....but yeah tax the rich into the ground and see how the economy fairs then. Where is his money to give to the poor then?

I don't often post but am delurking to comment on the waste of a leadership post that is Jeremy Corbyn.

I was a lifelong labour supporter until he became leader. I have today joined the Liberal Democrats and will campaign on their behalf.

I won't reiterate at length the many articulate reasons given upthread as to why Corbyn is, and will be shown to be, unelectable.

However two factors stand out from a personal perspective which would make it impossible for me to support the party whilst he is leader:

1. Labour was meant to be a pro-Remain party but the pathetically weak and uninterested way in which Corbyn occasionally did a little bit of campaigning showed that his heart wasn't in it. If he wasn't willing to represent the position adopted by his party members, due to his own personal preferences, he should have stood aside.
   Consequently Labour failed monumentally in the campaign. They should have been pointing out all the consequences of Brexit for the NHS, care homes, small businesses, farmers, you name it, and spelt it out in terms which actually meant something to the voters who were disillusioned enough with the staus quo to vote Leave. Corbyn quite frankly couldn't be bothered, and I now hold him almost entirely responsible for us being on the road to Brexit through his apathy.

2. Corbyn is anti-semitic and therefore racist. This has been shown time and time again. Why is anti-semitism somehow acceptable enough for him not to be kicked out of his party? If he was anti-Muslim he wouldn't last 5 minutes. Neither is acceptable in my view but somehow he's still leader despite his racist - and pro-terrorist - behaviour.

There is a huge discrepancy between what JC says and what he does/clearly believes. It was laughable when Shami Chakrabati claimed in a BBC interview last year that he was the most "genuine" of MPs. Genuinely self-interested, racist and hypocritical maybe!!

He's just not lovely. Not at all/

Poor geography teachers compared to him, what did they and their ox bow lakes ever do to deserve such a comparison.

He comes across as a total back stabbing cbomb and I say that as a lifelong labour supporter.

i'd prefer an alcholic geography teacher to be in charge :) He's a Stalinist in cuddly grandad clothes.

ShatnersWig your view of Corbyn at PMQs is based on your interpretation (of actual facts, not media spin) and is your opinion. It differs from mine but is as valid.
Some other people are just spouting what they have heard/read without any room for interpretation.
There are plenty of people who cannot stand the man for good reason (quite a few of them are on this thread!), we all have different things we don't like.
I take exception to a Government who committed fraud to win a general election, who is increasing the national debt but failing to admit it, who is destroying our health service, who is destroying our education system, and who is exploiting those at the bottom of the pile in order to line the pockets of those at the top. The best way to slow down this wholesale plunder of our country is to vote in the opposition whilst they actually are an opposition, rather than 'Tory-lite' of the previous Government.
And regarding my comments about the media bias, here is a link for anyone who is interested.
uk.news.yahoo.com/media-bias-against-jeremy-corbyn-170108033.html

Labour party membership has fallen since the summer. Over 3/4 of those who have left had only been members since the 2015 general election - ie, the ones who have kept Corbyn in position since he took over in the first leadership campaign. LD membership, conversely, continues to rise. For the first time ever, in the last quarter of 2016, donations to the LD party were higher than those to the Labour party.

I know very, very few life-long Labour members or supporters who back Corbyn now, even if they did at first.

Labour will not do well in this election and anyone who thinks otherwise is on cloud cuckoo land. Even people who loathe the Tories are tending to say they would spoil their ballot or not vote than vote for Labour under Corbyn. Comes to something when even people who want a protest vote won't vote for the second largest party.

Labour ballsed it up when they selected the wrong Milliband for leader and ballsed it up again when they selected Corbyn. Alan Johnson was probably the best Labour MP never to be leader. Of the current crop, I think Sir Keir Starmer is the only one showing real signs of leadership and he's not a career politician either, having had an actual job.

I don't think he's 'lovely' at all. He has some truly vile associates and supporters and does nothing to control them or to disassociate himself. Take the issue of anti-semitism within the party for instance.

His naive policies would take us back to the 70's - and not in a good way.

I agree OP, I also think he's make a wonderful PM.

He's not lovely.

He's sat quietly all Spring and Winter while the NHS has been close to collapse. He's not once given Theresa May, or David Cameron, a run for their money at PMQs. I sit watching it shaking my head and shouting at the television. He's a complete wet lettuce.

We are doomed to Brexit because of him. He could not be arsed to campaign effectively, or even try to convince us he wanted to stay in the EU (we all knew he didn't). And now we are doomed to a huge landslide victory for the Tories because his ego is so bloody big he really doesn't care about what's best for the Labour Party, and the country, he just cares about himself.

I know. I am feeling bad about the geography teachers. (and alcoholics, of which I am a recovering one).

I find him a bit scary. I was quite supportive when he stood for leadership because I thought it was time for someone not overtly personally insanely ambitious to be in the leadership- but heand his cronies have a very nasty core, IMO.

His treatment of Ruth Smeeth is unforgiveable- and that is just for starters.

SeaWitch As someone who thinks differently to you but would love to vote non-Tory, I'd genuinely like to know what it is about him that makes you think that.

I don't think from what I've heard that he's at all lovely. I think he's a single minded bigot with no idea how to lead. He's also a raging anti semite who has done nothing to address the problems of anti semitism in the labour party.

Lovely?
He comes across as a petulant man child who can't handle being asked difficult questions without sulking and complaint about being picked on - how would he react to the verbal shit that gets thrown at the PM? He makes questionable choices in the causes and people he supports plus he couldn't keep a cold never mind a shadow cabinet and when they quit he blames everyone else rather than looking at why they might disagree with him (much like his more zealous supporters).
He is not a future PM. Having that view is not a result of being brainwashed by MMM, it's a result of using my eyes and ears to observe the way he acts in public.

ShatnersWig, my partner said exactly the same about Milliband!

mummymeister I agree. I used to think he was ineffectual but harmless. Now I think he's an utter dick.

(PS - Daily Mail, don't think you are getting off the hook. You are utter dicks, too.)

(PS - fellow mumsnetters, the reason I keep on including these PS's to the Daily Mail is that they keep on lifting entire threads for their nasty rag, and this one would be right up their street. If they are going to steal my tweets they can also steal that I think they are useless lazy dickbadgers who should learn proper journalism.)

Because he's a wet blanket with the leadership skills of a slug. He can be as left as he likes, I still don't fancy him in charge.