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Corbyn is lovely, why the negativity?

896 replies

Wettingthetopbunkbed · 18/04/2017 12:28

Really, why?
Just because he's a bit different in his presentation. He in principled and compassionate, I for one wish he would become the PM.

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makeourfuture · 21/04/2017 12:32

Our parliamentary democracy has evolved over hundreds of years and we aren't generally keen on revolutions or sweeping social changes.

The problem with this is that you are equating revolution with the left. Democratic socialism has no desire for blood in the streets.

makeourfuture · 21/04/2017 12:37

What sweeping changes? Decent education, care for the sick and aged? Public transport? Safe, affordable housing? Emissions which don't drive up global temperatures? Affordable childcare?

In what way are these things revolutionary?

flippinada · 21/04/2017 12:40

No I'm not. I'm speaking in general, not political terms. The left (however you wish to define it) doesn't hold a monopoly on revolution or sweeping social change. Look at the Spanish Civil War or, more recently, Chile.

flippinada · 21/04/2017 12:44

I agree with you that all of those things are good. Personally, my political views align quite closely with JC and I will most likely be voting Labour on June 8th for reasons I outlined above. That doesn't change the fact I think he's a terrible leader and needs to be replaced.

GretchenFranklin · 21/04/2017 13:24

flippinada and others - if you would like to see Labour win the election it is counter productive to continue slating jeremy, it is just damaging the campaign further.

Not trying to be horrible, but I do think Labour supporters need to keep the vitriol under wraps for now.

teawamutu · 21/04/2017 13:44

gretchen, I'd bloody love to see labour win the election, but I am completely convinced that there's no hope; despite the worst govt in my living memory, Labour are TWENTY FUCKING POINTS behind. If I'm wrong I'll be delighted beyond measure.

But since I don't think I am, I'm weighing up whether to vote Labour according to my convictions, or try to get some point out of my totally pointless vote (Tory vote in my constituency last time outnumbered every other candidate) by voting something other than Labour for the first time in my life and hoping it contributes to the departure of Corbyn and his culty clique, and the bringing in of a leader who might eventually GET ELECTED and salvage what's left of the welfare state before it's too late.

I can't tell you how depressed and angry all this makes me.

Popinpopout · 21/04/2017 14:00

I can't vote Labour - my vote will help to prolong JC being leader of the party. Imagine him leading Brexit negotiation. Until he goes nothing would convince me to vote Labour again.

Anon1234567890 · 21/04/2017 14:09

Their is the danger that if you vote for Labour even if they lose they might get enough votes for JC to hang on as leader. The only way to save Labour is to vote for a Tory landslide so there is enough pressure to kick JC and the loony extremists out of the party. Only then will Labour be able to recover and become relevant again.

flippinada · 21/04/2017 14:22

Gretchen I would be delighted if the LP did well. I don't think it will though.

Anon it doesn't work like that, only members of the LP can vote for a leader. Although

flippinada · 21/04/2017 14:22

Excuse random extra word there, not sure how that popped in.

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/04/2017 14:27

but if labour does very badly at the polls, one can only hope the members would eventually be able to kick Corbyn out. If he gets into any kind of a coalition we'll be stuck with him for the foreseeable.

StatisticallyChallenged · 21/04/2017 14:32

Surely if he gets crushed and refuses to go then labour will split. It's hanging on by its fingernails as it is

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 21/04/2017 14:33

Isn't Corbyn now going to stay after the election

There isn't a chance Labour will win with him leading the party I don't even bother entertaining the idea and no I will not keep quiet I am angry at the state of the party I have always voted for and am a member of

flippinada · 21/04/2017 14:37

You would hope so NoLonger. Part of the problem is he has a block of support among members who will vote for him no matter what. That group would write a Tory landslide down to MSM, brainwashing, not understanding his message etc etc- it wouldn't be his fault. There's also the union block vote. I reckon he'll hang on as long as he can basically, and if the members support him then he feels vindicated.

There needs to be a strong opposing candidate and enough members voting against him to tip the balance. Is that doable? I don't know.

raisedbyguineapigs · 21/04/2017 14:38

He seems to be on some evangelical crusade, so even if he loses, it will be one step along the road of class struggle. His disciples will vote him in again, any moderate MP's will be deselected and once again, the only people to blame will be the stupid people who don't understand his message and can't identify press bias.

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/04/2017 14:41

surely if unite goes to McCluskey, you'd think the party would split at that point for the problem of anyone else beating the block vote flip. I really hope Coyne wins, it looks like he's put his whole career on the line for it.

flippinada · 21/04/2017 14:46

I hope so too. There were hints earlier this year that the unions were beginning to get fed up with JC. A poor election showing could be the typing point.

flippinada · 21/04/2017 14:46

tipping point!

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 21/04/2017 14:53

I can see the party splitting but they will have to quickly to build a centre left party in time for the next election (that's ambitious I know)

and agree when he does loose it will be all part of the revolution plan of Corbyn and his supporters

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/04/2017 14:58

i feel Blair and Brown were even more skilled at managing these loonies now than i did before. In the 90s, I felt new labour were a little harsh in keeping the principled well meaning left so far out of the message, now I merely feel new labour understood the nature of the beasts they were dealing with better than i did. They have no respect for being elected by anyone other than members.

makeourfuture · 21/04/2017 15:11

Enthusiasm, do you retro-Blairs form up and pop in here together?

makeourfuture · 21/04/2017 15:12

We are in the future now.....welcome.

OyWithThePoodles · 21/04/2017 15:22

Hang on … can people just stop with the insults of Corbyn ‘supporters’ now, please? I’m voting for him, I like his policies and I think he deserves a chance, so I guess I’m one of the people you’re smearing - a normal, intelligent, struggling middle aged mum – not a looney, not a trot, not a member of a cult, not deluded, deranged, blind, not an idiot or any of the other insults on here. Seriously. You don’t like Corbyn, you don’t like socialists - fine! Just calm down - show us a little respect and rein it in with the abuse.

flippinada · 21/04/2017 15:32

I'm sorry if you feel insulted, that certainly isn't my intention and I would hope nobody else's. People are criticising JC, not ordinary voters.

OyWithThePoodles · 21/04/2017 15:38

Okay, flip, I get that it's mostly at JC, but we've had his defenders called 'culty clique'; 'looney extremists' and 'loonies' just in the space of a few posts on this page and I'm starting to take it personally!