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Corbyn is lovely, why the negativity?

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Wettingthetopbunkbed · 18/04/2017 12:28

Really, why?
Just because he's a bit different in his presentation. He in principled and compassionate, I for one wish he would become the PM.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 21/04/2017 00:20

I'm no fan of May either but I don't think Corbyn is a good bet because he would be utterly unable to do anything.

Majorgoodwinschickenbeatstrump · 21/04/2017 01:25

He looks like a crap supply teacher from the 90s... the worst government in a very long time is in power right now and he still has absolutely nothing going for him to make me want to vote for him. If he'd have jumped ship ages ago then Labour might have had a chance to get themselves sorted out by now. As it stands, the opposition is simply not there against a truly horrible party. Why is it so hard to find decent politicians with strength, good ideas and a tiny bit of charisma? It's ok saying everyone should vote, but I wouldn't want to vote for any of the shower of shite that are in power at the moment- none of them stand for me.

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/04/2017 06:57

More information on the Coyne suspension - politically motivated

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/unite-union-gerard-coyne-suspended-west-midlands-len-mccluskey-uk

StatisticallyChallenged · 21/04/2017 07:08

That sounds dodgy as hell doesn't it.

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/04/2017 07:20

Again shows their terrible judgment - as much as anything else, how did they think this would look? They're saying McCluskey is going to win so why did they go after Coyne if he's been beaten? Retribution

makeourfuture · 21/04/2017 07:21

Careful anyone criticising Dawn Butler, clearly you're only saying this because you're a massive racist - according to makeourfuture's logic anyway.

Nice that you are aware.

Kropotkinator · 21/04/2017 08:00

At the end of the day, the nature of the British is to shit on those below them on the class rung. They really don't care about substance, preferring one liners and conformism.

We don't just see this in politics, as a culture we learn it early in school when we are taken the piss out of for actually learning, having the "wrong uncool shoes", and generally not acting like a massive piss taking tosser.

Dignity, honesty and compassion and learnedness get you precisely nowhere in Britain. We do kot value it as a culture. This is what gets reflected politically. What we love, when we are honest, about it are thick ruthless wankers with a sharp tongue.

I left the country 5 years ago - have never looked back. The seething hatered of fellow citizens, the sneering, the bullying permeates through the whole of society. And the blame culture too. It's always someone else's fault isn't it?

Mates, you lot have got precisely what you asked for: economically, socially, and emotionally. You get the Britain you deserve. And you're all welcome to it.

Sad sad sad.

nauticant · 21/04/2017 08:09

In reading that post I was going to say I honestly think I must be living in a different country compared to some posters. Ha, it turns out I was actually correct.

It reads like something from my brother, an expat who, as the time passes since he left the UK, seems to sneer at it more and more.

Batgirlspants · 21/04/2017 08:21

Kropot what a daft post. Where do you live now fairyland? all countries have good and bad aspects to them just as all people do you included.

Kropotkinator · 21/04/2017 08:25

Perhaps your brother has realised how fucked up British culture can be, because he's experienced a different way of living?

There's a saying, isn't there "to not see the wood for the trees"?

Your brother, like me, is rightly annoyed that you lot in Blighty could have it so sooooo good. You've got an economy that's in the G8, yet you insist on being your own worst enemies.

You all should really be seeing the bigger picture, why bother when there's rubbish jingoism, and -bullying- banter to fall back on?

I don't expect that post to leave many people happy cos the truth hurts.

But the truth is that British culture is rooted in a class system based us-and-themism, which is reflected in politics and that you do get the country you vote for in the end.

Which is apperently food bank subsidies, chronically underfunded health service, rip-off housing, benefits for fully employed adults (ie. work that doesn't pay) and a debt based education system.

Doesn't look great from where I'm sitting.

You all voted for it though so you must be happy.

teawamutu · 21/04/2017 08:31

kropot, what (another) fucking stupid post. Less than half the population voted for the current government, as usual. There are plenty of people horrified and longing for change, but let down completely by the lack of credible, coherent, competent leadership.

I could make a sweeping generalisation here about smug expats, but it'd rather undermine my argument, so I won't. Grin

nauticant · 21/04/2017 08:31

No, my brother, like many expats, is developing this growing conviction that the UK before he left was like a 1950s black and white gentle comedy film.

Another tendency of the expats is to tell it like it is based on knowledge eliding into fiction.

Salzundessig · 21/04/2017 08:32

Another Brit abroad here. I just don't get it really. All the proposed Labour policies mentioned upthread are actually happening in the country I'm in. I pay lots more tax but have a functional healthcare system (insurance based), good education and less inequality. Definitely no food banks as far as I'm aware. Don't understand the fuss at all.

Salzundessig · 21/04/2017 08:35

Not being smug, just bemused. Seeing as though JC is on a hiding to nothing anyway (unfortunately), he might as well just be honest and say we have to raise taxes to get better public services. No point beating around the bush.

teawamutu · 21/04/2017 08:39

Agree on that, I'd far prefer, say, the German system.

But people like the PP berating those of us who would and lumping us in with those who wouldn't is just absurd.And smug.

EachandEveryone · 21/04/2017 08:42

Where are you all living? Dubai?

Kropotkinator · 21/04/2017 08:44

I'm not smug about it. I'm quite sad really, and as salzundesdig says bemused.

It doesn't matter what JC says he's not wearing the right cool shoes tie.

And it doesn't matter what May says as long as she's got her pearls on.

And it doesn't matter what Farrage says as long as he's got a pint in his hand and a flat cap on.

Who's Tim Fallon lol.

Grin
Batgirlspants · 21/04/2017 08:50

Well come on where do you live?

Batgirlspants · 21/04/2017 08:52

I thought Dubai too.

Salzundessig · 21/04/2017 08:56

I have lived in Germany and Austria and both were the same from the standard of public services. Tax in both was considerably higher than the UK and we are middle earners (academic and teacher). We would never be able to afford a similar lifestyle in a UK city, despite having way more net income. Rent, childcare, healthcare etc would cost too much. It's not the tax levels that are the problem in the UK, it is the way income is not spread equally and the idea you can have world class public services without investing in them. Or by privatisation and screw anyone you can't afford to go private. Under a first past the post system it is going to be pretty hard tp change the ingrained inequality, even if there is willing.

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/04/2017 09:04

Even if I didn't believe JC was trying to change too many of the wrong things, where is there any evidence that he can build consensus or has any talent in his top team that can execute anything?

Kropotkinator · 21/04/2017 09:11

Poland. It has it's issues (mainly around political corruption and workers exploitation - all common themes in Post - communist countries) but there have been huge improvements in the past few years. It's not all rainbows and unicorns tho. Social services can be quite ropey, and there's a bit of religious nuttery that goes on.

However, the schools are great, university is subsidised and so the work force are highly educated as a consequence. Healthcare is good. But the thing I love most here is the social cohesion. People genuinely come together and there is a lot of organisation. Things are improving slowly.

So good and bad, but there is still more good than bad.

I would never go to Dubai out of principle really. They have a class system even worse than the UK and the whole of that place was built off the backs of economic slaves from India. They pay no taxes so the poor are screwed. I could never support a system like that.

Kropotkinator · 21/04/2017 09:15

Yeah. FPTP I agree is a huge problem. Part of the reason politicians here are shit scared of the electorate is because we have PR.

The problem with PR is you don't get a personal representative in Parliament. Still, it's a concessions I'd make.

Batgirlspants · 21/04/2017 09:19

So good and bad just like Blighty really then. Hmm

I have been to Poland and thought it was beautiful but wouldn't want to live there. 'religious nuttery' a huge no for me as a woman with dds as well as dss.

It's a real shame when people emigrate and then totally denigrate their home country in such s silly smug way.

Butterymuffin · 21/04/2017 09:26

Gosh, I'm surprised any Polish people have come to live in this terrible country then.

I don't think all Corbyn's ideas are bad, but he's no good at strategy or compromise and is a terrible leader. As for 'lovely', he wasn't that lovely to Thangam Debonnaire.