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Corbyn is lovely, why the negativity?

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Wettingthetopbunkbed · 18/04/2017 12:28

Really, why?
Just because he's a bit different in his presentation. He in principled and compassionate, I for one wish he would become the PM.

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EnjoyYourVegetables · 20/04/2017 17:34

Sorry , can't tell era of poster through internet.

Meant Momentum and tales of SWP coming in behind them.

JanetBrown2015 · 20/04/2017 17:35

I just looked her up (and by the way in my view the more women MPs we have the better even Labour ones so I amn ot against her on principle or anything but this ounds like another car crash intereview she did too

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04b9w2g

Used to be union official.

"Expenses controversy
In March 2009, Butler came under criticism for claiming almost the full £23,000 annual second home allowance, despite her other home in Stratford being the same distance from Parliament as her Brent South home.[16][17] She was found to have acted in accordance with the rules as they stood by the subsequent official investigation.[18] She was also criticised for charging the taxpayer for a whirlpool bath in a suite that cost £2,308"

EnjoyYourVegetables · 20/04/2017 17:35

No he's not hopeless but he's not my choice for PM.

Batgirlspants · 20/04/2017 17:53

Exactly smily and vegs reality and the cut and thrust of politics requires a tad more than one needs at a student rally.

Riversleep great post

Headofthehive55 · 20/04/2017 18:01

To win you need to appeal to not just those who feel life is against them, but run of the mill average people, dare I say the majority..
Talking about anti establishment really I think will put off the average voter.
Most of us aren't that rebellious.

Batgirlspants · 20/04/2017 18:02

Well quite head the vast majority of people are fairly sensible

bojorojo · 20/04/2017 18:08

Corbyn is a blast from the 80s past and is making the same mistakes. By saying he will raise taxes of normal people and businesses to fund the state, he is guaranteed to lose votes. Michael Foote was the same and look what happened to Labour for 18 years. It is plainly obvious we need a strong business base. I am not for people who cheat, but getting tax from Sir Philip Green and others just will not pay for Labour's proposals. It is old fashioned class hatred such as vat on school fees. Ordinary people will pay higher taxes and they will not like it in marginal constituencies. Never have and never will. Therefore there will be no Labour gains. Corbyn preaches to the converted in Labour strongholds. It is university politics really. Corbyn needs huge swings to Labour and especially in Scotland! No chance.

brasty · 20/04/2017 18:11

I can't stand Corbyn, but he actually is not left wing enough to take seats in Scotland.

nauticant · 20/04/2017 18:12

An anti-establishment position was fantastically effective both in the Brexit campaign and in the US election. The average voter lapped it up, especially when coming from those enjoying huge privilege.

But for some reason I don't think it will work for Corbyn.

makeourfuture · 20/04/2017 18:17

Ordinary people will pay higher taxes and they will not like it in marginal constituencies.

Ordinary people paying private fees? How many are there?

NoLotteryWinYet · 20/04/2017 18:34

brasty you can't surely claim the SNP are to the left of Corbyn? I know there is a lot of rhetoric but their actual tax raising policies have been very thin on the ground and why I loathe them - mendaciously positing as socialists whilst not putting up taxes properly now that they can.

NoLotteryWinYet · 20/04/2017 18:34

And the SNP can certainly win votes...

Guinnessoriginalthe1st · 20/04/2017 18:36

"An anti-establishment position was fantastically effective both in the Brexit campaign and in the US election. The average voter lapped it up, especially when coming from those enjoying huge privilege.

But for some reason I don't think it will work for Corbyn."

That would be because patriotism nationalism has always been more popular than socialism, and much easier to sell. socialism is a dirty word for the common man/woman.

Corbyn is a stubborn old man who is stuck in the past, sadly.

I do like socialism though but not with corby as a muppet puppet leader.

birdsdestiny · 20/04/2017 18:42

Yes the anti establishment rhetoric has proved very successful. Unfortunately May beat him to it. Her whole speech when she called the election was based on the premise that the nasty elite were stopping her implementing Brexit ( the will of the people) and she needed to be elected to oppose 'them' and follow the will of the ordinary people. All a load of bollocks obviously but not sure how both of them claiming to be anti establishment is going to pan out.

nauticant · 20/04/2017 18:46

I agree, May has cornered the Brexit flavoured anti-establishment position while Corbyn has indicated no real interest in Brexit. The public, at least the parts that do actually vote, will perceive his position as the making us poorer flavoured anti-establishment position.

Guinnessoriginalthe1st · 20/04/2017 18:48

As much as i dislike dorbin I cannot decide whether to vote Labour or Lib Dem in June

grins · 20/04/2017 19:15

Corbyn is a hypocrite on an enormous scale. How dare he class people as wealth creators and wealth extractors when he is a prime example of a wealth extractor. What has he actually done that wasn't paid for by leeching off the income of others? He was an ineffectual union leech and an ineffectual parliamentarian. There is not one law he can point to for his time in the Labour party. He has literally done and achieved nothing that has made a difference to anyone in his, all to well paid, career.

Justanotherlurker · 20/04/2017 19:29

That would be because patriotism nationalism has always been more popular than socialism, and much easier to sell. socialism is a dirty word for the common man/woman.

Doesn't help that everytime someone try's to defend socialism it descends into a no true scotsman fallacy.

We are a fairly socialist country, even the Tory's

Elendon · 20/04/2017 19:29

I think he's far from the hopeless shitshow he's being portrayed as on this thread.

But he is not being portrayed as a hopeless shitshow on this thread. Is he? It's very telling you think he is.

Most people think that he's not up for the job as leader. Got a problem with that?

Elendon · 20/04/2017 19:32

Grins and Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove could be also added to that description.

Who likes Jeremy? Boris? Michael?

Justanotherlurker · 20/04/2017 19:35

I agree, May has cornered the Brexit flavoured anti-establishment position while Corbyn has indicated no real interest in Brexit.

I think the problem is that Corbyn is between a rock and a hard place. If he sides with pro brexit he will lose the metropolitan support and if he comes out anti he will lose swaths of leave voters.

Elendon · 20/04/2017 19:38

Where will he lose swathes of leave voters? The shires?

He might lose a few votes in Islington!

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/04/2017 19:45

I wouldn't say snp are especially left either, I think Labour's woes in Scotland are down to a lot more than not being left enough. Including a stream of ineffectual and uninspiring scottish labour leaders.

Social opinion surveys have tended to show that actually Scotland isn't much more left at all.

grins · 20/04/2017 19:47

Elendon - I don't hear them dividing society in that way.

Elendon · 20/04/2017 19:48

People are going to have to pay for insurance for their children's health, their health, it's costly. Want to get your child into a school that delivers? Pay up!

And for afters, if you live in a 1 in 100 year flood risk area, it's going to be a nightmare when it comes to insurance. www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/magazine/when-rising-seas-transform-risk-into-certainty.html?_r=0