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Corbyn is lovely, why the negativity?

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Wettingthetopbunkbed · 18/04/2017 12:28

Really, why?
Just because he's a bit different in his presentation. He in principled and compassionate, I for one wish he would become the PM.

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EnjoyYourVegetables · 19/04/2017 23:40

Jeezo, it Giles the Guardian vicar!

Mo55chop5 · 19/04/2017 23:43

He is a fucking idiot.

CrowLeftOfTheMurder · 19/04/2017 23:55

I think for a lot of people that feel he's "not a leader" it's because he isn't aggressive. We're used to leaders that are very assertive when it comes to getting us to believe that their course of action is the right one. In contrast Corbyn explains himself very calmy and rationally and for whatever reason people just switch off.. a lot of the negative comments people make (and I fully support everyone having their own opinion) are repeats of things from the media, ie.. terrorist supporter/sympathiser not forthcoming about brexit he continues relationships with people who have done/said/supported horrible things etc. ALL of our previous leaders have done all of these things too but it's never seemed to harm them. Tony Blair was loved by his party and he's since been proven to have lead us into an illegal war, Thatcher.... well, who liked her? Yet she won.. I personally don't think that being a generally nice bloke who doesn't support war's and comes across as a bit dull and normal should exclude someone but that seems to be the case. I have never voted labour in my life but am willing to give the nice bloke a chance cos let's face it, going for "good leaders" hasn't worked very well lately has it?

user1490828037 · 20/04/2017 00:13

For goodness sake look at the reality. Each person's vote is not for or against May or Corbyn or anyone else. Each person's vote only has an effect in their constituency. Look at the odds, look at the possibilities and vote accordingly.

I am no Labour supporter and I don't want a Tory landslide either. I live in a marginal LibDem / Tory constituency. I most absolutely do not want a LibDem government and I abhor much of their policy. I also detest their treachery and lies however, by voting LibDem I may secure a LibDem MP and thus achieve one less Tory MP. May's government, if everyone voted sensibly and tactically may have to be a government of consensus not absolute power.

CrowLeftOfTheMurder · 20/04/2017 01:00

Totally agree with you there, unfortunately after the coalition I lost count of how many times I heard 'lib dem was a wasted vote cos it got the Tories in' Confused you get what you vote for folks...

derxa · 20/04/2017 06:27

The right wing media tell us that Corbyn is in way over his head and that there isn't the confidence in him to lead the country and through Brexit negotiations That would be the Guardian which has led a hate campaign against him from the word go.

Frillyhorseyknickers · 20/04/2017 06:58

He isn't lovely. He can't even dress himself properly, of course he shouldn't be the PM!

isthisacceptable200 · 20/04/2017 07:01

He's nothing more than a dreamer whose sheer laziness has been instrumental in turning this country into a pile of right wing crap. IMHO.

^ this

flippinada · 20/04/2017 07:11

I think the OP may be having a little fun with us but then again, maybe not.

However, no, I don't believe he's lovely at all. I used to think he was decent and principled but ineffectual. Now I think he's something far more sinister. He's far more interested in having an ideologically pure Labour Party that than one which is electable.

If he goes after the inevitable hammering Labour are going to get in the upcoming GE then that will be the silver lining in a very grim cloud.

flippinada · 20/04/2017 07:16

BTW I'm a long term LP supporter and member. I'm hanging on to my membership in the hope I can vote against him.

Charlieismydarlin · 20/04/2017 07:23

Jeez, what is this "Corbyn is lovely" all about?

Aside from the fact he is deadly dull, he is anti-Semitic and sympathises with terrorists.

He also panders to Nicola Bloody Sturgeon. I cannot begin to tell you how most Scots are utterly sick of Sturgeon and her useless and obsessive party that literally plays an independence violin whilst Scotland burns.

I love TM's approach to Sturgeon. I punch the air with delight when she tells them what they should have been told long ago.

Batgirlspants · 20/04/2017 07:26

crow

It's not the media or any conspiracy he really doesn't need anyone else to tell him he's a crap leader.

If he had provided any leadership coming up to the Brexit vote, swallowed his ridiculous attitude to refusing to stand on s stage with Cameron and really spoke against Brexit maybe we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Well we are and seriously can you see Corbyn on a world stage negotiating intricate trade deals? He would be taking time off to attend CMD rally's. He's a back bench agitator, disloyal to labour and a massive threat to the party.

He has done nothing to support working people as he has provided no opposition to the tories.

As I posted uothread it's a really fun of 1981 Thatcher v Foot. It will take labour 10 years to rebuild after the mess he will leave post the election.

surferjet · 20/04/2017 07:32

I don't understand the whole Corbyn thing.
If he's so awful why do party members keep voting him as leader?

Why does he keep surviving leadership challenges?

NoLotteryWinYet · 20/04/2017 07:32

There's really nothing about him I like - I don't like his plans to expand the public sector into new areas (NES), his inability to execute, the fact the shadow cabinet is a laughing stock drained of political talent, his views on trident.

A Sturgeon-Corbyn coalition would be a laugh - the SNP want independence at any cost, labour's weakness is merely the excuse.

Sadly, the tories, crap as they are, are better than than the ghoulish spectre of a lab-snp pact of irresponsible talentless politicians.

NoLotteryWinYet · 20/04/2017 07:38

Surely it's obvious - the membership is more extreme than the electorate. That's why you can win a party election but not a general election.

surferjet · 20/04/2017 07:43

Corbyn is not extreme - he's just old school Labour, which of course new Labour hate.

NoLotteryWinYet · 20/04/2017 07:46

I completely disagree, I loved John Smith - and by 'new' labour you mean the Labour Party that could, thrillingly, win elections and introduce minimum wages, trivial stuff like that.

Corbyn's problem is that he hates the middle classes, he can't build any kind of consensus - look at the Brexit campaign for that...

Bringmesunshite · 20/04/2017 07:49

He's not old school Labour. Unless you mean the brief diversion of Hatton et al.
He's old school grumbling in the corner, cosying up to terrorists, objecting to parliamentary party discipline unelectable-apart-from-in-his-cosy-seat sort of Labour.

flippinada · 20/04/2017 07:51

Why does Corbyn keep getting elected? It's partly because the membership is more to the left of the PLP, but also because there aren't (or weren't) any alternatives. Lots of senior LP MPs lost their seats in 2015. Popular with LP members doesn't correlate to popular with the electorate, of course.

There was also a surge of new members who joined under the new voting rules who supported Corbyn. Quite a lot of the new membership have left now though.

Also bear in he's been elected twice and has been in the job 18 months - although admittedly it does feel longer.

Bigbiscuits · 20/04/2017 07:51

Poll last night had TM at 48% and JC at 24%.

NoLotteryWinYet · 20/04/2017 07:54

I'm sure the prospect of Corbyn being in a coalition with the SNP is putting off some from a tactical vote for labour...they'll never get him out in that eventuality

Increasinglymiddleaged · 20/04/2017 07:57

look at the Brexit campaign for that...

Well one major issue with Corbyn is that he isn't really pro Europe so there is a limit on how convincing he can be on the subject.

surferjet · 20/04/2017 07:57

I don't know enough about him or the Labour Party to have any sort of decent conversation - but he does have a cult following somewhere?
& I don't think he wants to be a 'world stage' leader, he's too busy preparing younger Corbyns to take over.
He is a revolutionary - & he will change the Labour Party - it might take him 10 years but he'll do it.

NoLotteryWinYet · 20/04/2017 08:03

I don't want a revolution, I want the NHS to be better funded, and the things we've already got to be done better. And most of the moderates agree with me.

Batgirlspants · 20/04/2017 08:08

He bloody well isn't 'old school labour' at all thankyou very much and all these 'new' converts to labour voting him in are not the people knocking on the doors to get a labour victory. I suspect some are tories and most aligned with the hideous momentum.

How can he be old school labour of labour anything when he consistently voted against every single labour policy in the comments.