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Corbyn is lovely, why the negativity?

896 replies

Wettingthetopbunkbed · 18/04/2017 12:28

Really, why?
Just because he's a bit different in his presentation. He in principled and compassionate, I for one wish he would become the PM.

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daffodilbaby · 19/04/2017 22:23

The trouble is Scaryclown that I do understand the maths and the fpp - it's just that labour can't win - and I'd rather have Theresa than JC - and believe me when I say I do not want Theresa!! At least JC can be replaced by someone who can manage the job of opposition and take her on- and at least have a labour may then have shot at the next election- rather than JC to do slightly better than expected in this election (as far as I can tell anything better than a total wipeout) and take that as a mandate to carry on leading the party into oblivion and letting the torques Lead the country for all eternity - short term pain, etc.

TrojanWhore · 19/04/2017 22:24

"You are not allowed to be a tory prime minister unless you are an Eton boy,"

Despite the Tories having had more PMs educated at non-fee paying schools than Labour...

Bringmesunshite · 19/04/2017 22:25

Not being an idiot but I won't vote for a party led by someone who fawns over terrorists and panders to antisemites.
It's a red line for me. And I lived through the Thatcher era so I know what Tories are capable of.

deeedeee · 19/04/2017 22:26

fawns over terroists??? is this the standard of debate here. good lord

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 19/04/2017 22:28

People are not voting Labour because they know the leader of the party in incapable of being PM he can't lead the opposition party and raise support (as we have seen in actual votes) even mid term and against the tide of Tory cuts

Corbyn is in way over his head there isn't the confidence in him to lead the country and through Brexit negotiations. People might disagree and dislike May but there is no doubt who is the more intelligent and professional of the two and who is the more capable

If labour had a leader that was up to the job they would be trashing the Tories now but we don't the Tories are taking advantage of this and only Corbyn and those who have backed him blindly all along the way are a gift to May

HoldBackTheRain · 19/04/2017 22:31

deeedeee I know. Some of this thread is grim reading.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 19/04/2017 22:35

even if he had proved himself to be a good leader of the opposition his terrorist connections was always going to be in the way of him ever becoming PM

And rightly so

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2017 22:35

Scary doesn't get her hands dirty doing actual grass roots party work though - or talking to ordinary folk - she just shares FB Memes and rants on MN

NoLotteryWinYet · 19/04/2017 22:36

The problem is that JC is worse than the tories to many people, even former labour voters. May can govern without the sky falling in, JC on the other hand has had all his parliamentary talent resign and yet he clings on, why on earth would I think he could lead the country? If the polls didn't bear this out, we wouldn't be having a snap election.

raisedbyguineapigs · 19/04/2017 22:37

scaryclown People on here aren't stupid. You and your momentum student protest group buddy are showing yourself up as being intolerant, ignorant and naive. The main reasons why people won't vote for Labour under Corbyn. The Tories are an absolute shoe in. They know it. That's why they called an election. We need more than anything a credible strong opposition. People who aren't voting Labour aren't stupid. They know maths and the way politics works. They're voting tactically in the vain hope that Labour will be able to build a credible opposition in the aftermath of this likely disaster.

scaryclown · 19/04/2017 22:40

People are not voting Labour because they have been told that the leader of the party is incapable of being PM and he can't lead the opposition party and raise support, which is what you would expect a nasty opposition to communicate via the media sources they can influence, eg right wing press and the BBC.

The right wing media tell us that Corbyn is in way over his head and that there isn't the confidence in him to lead the country and through Brexit negotiations. If the Conservatives were more confident in this statement, they would give him more balanced converage - they traditionally support and are fairer to weaker labour leaders. They try the double bind bullshit here 'We need a strong opposition' Yeah bullshit! they need a weakened perception of opposition, and you are buying it.

People might disagree and dislike May but there is no doubt who we are being told is the more intelligent and professional of the two and who is the more capable, even though she is flip flopping and talking in complicated delusions (which works, sadly, because if challenges to them are not publicised and May won't debate with Corbyn publicly, uncritical thinkers just buy it).

If labour had a leader that was up to the job they would be attacked ruthlessly and relentlessly the Tories, undermined, devalued and ridicules as much and as often as possible for fear that people might hear that strength. The Tories are taking advantage of their access to and support of the right wing media to attempt to undermine his messages before they are heard, and to limit the chances of them being heard. Corbyn and those who have backed him are using this time out of the spotlight to strengthen and consolidate his position.

The fact that they are still scared, even with the gift to May that is the SNP taking a chunk of labour consituencies out of the mix, shows how weak the Tory party really are under all their bravado.

NoLotteryWinYet · 19/04/2017 22:42

Well I do believe Tony Blair managed to win a few elections despite the dreaded MSM being all billionaire owned.

scaryclown · 19/04/2017 22:43

Any leader willing to take his party in a new direction is going to need to get rid of an old guard of people who have failed. Either by kicking them out, or by working in a way that gets them to leave when they know they aren't going to be tolerated.

That's OK. That's leadership.

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2017 22:44

I find it astonishing that people can't accept that some party members don't support JC without insisting they have been brainwashed - seriously odd - almost cult like - you must believe ...we don't ...that's because you have been lead astray ...

it's really rather frightening - he's not electable for many reasons and thus we will have 5 years of Tory rule and that helps no one

WeDoNotSow · 19/04/2017 22:44

Yep. The Tories just bullyvCorbyn because they're scared and jealous of him.
It's obvious.
Confused

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2017 22:45

it's not a new direction Grin

good lord how long have you been a online not active party member

scaryclown · 19/04/2017 22:47

Of course it is. Its away from 'soft' PR labour towards hard campaigning and real belief (and a much more European effectiveness)

aquashiv · 19/04/2017 22:52

She's played a blinder. That's what a walking holiday can do.
I see labour being anililated and Mr C forced out. Which is the only glimmer of positivity.

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2017 22:52

so not very long then ...

Angryangryyoungwoman · 19/04/2017 22:53

I agree with scaryclown

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 19/04/2017 22:56

We haven't been told he is incapable of being PM it has been proved to us by him leading such a poor opposition

I have watched him being interviewed on numerous occasions, read his press releases, watched his pathetic attempts at PM questions, heard him speak at rallies, been asked by him (as member of the party) to attend many rallies, watched how he dealt with one of his MP's being hassled to the point she was upset (at a sensitive press conference) and ignored her, it didn't pass me by that he didn't sack or reprimand Livingston until he was put under pressure to, didn't speak out for some time when his own MP's were receiving threats from his supporters, researched his history that has been confirmed he terrorist connections and his voting against his own party again and again

This isn't from right wing press this has all been confirmed by Corbyn himself

EnjoyYourVegetables · 19/04/2017 22:59

I don't know how you have the patience EnthusiasmIsDisturbed.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 19/04/2017 23:06

I am angry at the state of the Labour Party and that the Tories are being handed a large majority in June

So have plenty to say on the matter Angry

EnjoyYourVegetables · 19/04/2017 23:17

Just discussing with my DH that noone loves May and tub thumps for her. "She's alright" seems to come up a lot BUT that is across a spectrum, from former UKIP voters to fed-up former Labour voters.

Jeremy is clearly hugely popular, but with a limited section of the overall population.

scaryclown · 19/04/2017 23:32

I love May, I hate her sin.
Grin

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