Corbyn is lovely, why the negativity?

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Really, why?
Just because he's a bit different in his presentation. He in principled and compassionate, I for one wish he would become the PM.

Everything QueenOlivine said.

Exactly that. The opposition leader, at this point, with the country on their fucking knees, should be jubilant, passionate, hopeful, and be setting out a clear practical agenda of what we are going to DO to put things right.
Instead he seems hassled, tired and irritated. I don't need my statesmen and women to look like indentikit politicos-in fact I don't want them to, but I want them to have real plans that they can communicate with conviction to the general population.
Being a good and inspiring speaker doesn't automatically equal=narcissist. Most of us can speak passionately about subjects we really feel strongly about, surely?

You've been brainwashed if you think JC is a loser.
See: www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pick/think-jeremy-corbyn-is-a-loser-oh-dear-youve-been-brainwashed/18/08/

He's a conviction campaigner and essentially has associated with those he supports. To compare him to the Queen and May seems a deliberate diversionary tactic.

He's a winner twice over in the Labour Party leadership and he has shown remarkabke endurance over his career as a back bencher.

I really want to re-iterate to the Labour voters who are now saying they wouldn't vote Labour now because of Corbyn:
Please remember that you are voting for your MP, not Corbyn. Labour won't win, so JC won't ever be at the helm of the ruling party, but if you want to keep your member of parliament Labour, then that's the way you should be voting imo.

When the Queen shook McGuinness' hand it was a groundbreaking moment in history because of who they both were and how we had got to that point.

When Corbyn invited Adams and co to Parliament shortly after the IRA had sought to undermine parliamentary democracy through violence (Brighton Bomb) it was grubby attention seeking by an insignificant backbencher.

I will him on at PMQs but he can't go off script.

"Please remember that you are voting for your MP, not Corbyn"

Agree, but when I said something similar on the thread about the lack of a planned TV debate between party leaders, there was a further comment stating that was very naive. I think there is some way to go in persuading people that it might not be all about the leader

(though from the statement yesterday, leadership does seem to be the area on which TM wants focus)

Ifnot, I know I am voting for my local MP and not Corbyn but my local MP has cosied up to Corbyn to get a shadow cabinet job.

And when that MP is deselected by Momentum?

It's a pathologically altruistic game for a moderate voter to play.

You've been brainwashed if you think JC is a loser.

I don't think he's a loser, I think he has provided no direction to the Labour party in the time he has been leader.

Please remember that you are voting for your MP, not Corbyn. Labour won't win, so JC won't ever be at the helm of the ruling party, but if you want to keep your member of parliament Labour, then that's the way you should be voting imo.

That is what my FIL thought when he voted leave as a protest cos it won't happen. My opinion is that you have to ultimately vote for who you want in power. Unless your MP is so good that they are with taking the risk for. Labour didn't even bother campaigning here for the last general election (and it is a marginal which was labour until 2 elections ago), at least I'd had a chat with the conservative candidate (a sensible enough bloke who also didn't agree with everything had done). Seemed more sensible than stabbing in the dark on someone who didn't even bother going to meet people!

What Rorty said at 9.30 absolutely.

Reminds me of 1983 Michael foot V Margaret Thatcher.

All those of a certain age remember how that went.

Sooo reminiscent of Foot. However, Foot had a strong intellect and impeccable credentials as a socialist not a game player.

It's not fair to Foot to compare them as men.

Shocked Yet again - and I've said this to the 4% of people on this thread who have said "you're falling for the media spin" - I don't read the newspapers, it is not fake news, I have seen Corbyn at almost every PMQs and 95% of the time he hasn't landed one blow on TM. He comes across as completely out of his depth and ineffectual. I have formed that opinion for myself from watching and listening to HIM, not what any media source tells me. If the best his supporters can do is keep reiterating "you're being brainwashed by the media" you're a bigger load of fools than I thought.

yes, all us lifelong labour votes are brainwashed by tory spin. Did you ever think about whether that passes the sniff test? Is it plausible that people that have voted labour since they could vote are suddenly wholesale enslaved by tory rhetoric?

I won't case a SINGLE vote for a politician standing on a labour ticket whilst JC and his accolytes are at the helm because JC has made it clear he won't resign until party members vote him out, and electoral Armageddon seems to be a currency they may eventually understand.

It's sad that so many labour politicians who are respectable, moderate and talented will lose their seats because of him, and sadder that his megalomania will mean 5 more years of the tories for the poor.

Shocked, I took a look at your link, and most of those are news sources back by billionaires are not news sources I use; I sometimes refer to the Telegraph or the Indy, but also the BBC and Guardian, as well as various websites of varying political hues. So I concluded that I didn't like Corbyn on a pretty independent basis.

But the thing is... if so much of the media is dominated by insanely wealthy right-wingers, why don't some of the insanely wealthy left-wingers (Bono springs to mind) start their own newspaper, maybe online? Given the way newspapers have been shedding employees lately, it wouldn't be hard to find good people to employ.

yeah, John Smith, Foot, Kinnock - I don't remember them calling any of their own party traitorous, or shitting all over the achievements of the labour party when it was actually in power and did a lot of good - like the minimum wage, FFS, remember that?

What does that tell you about JC?

news sources that are backed by billionaires and are...

I need to learn to proof-read.

my local MP has cosied up to Corbyn to get a shadow cabinet job.

Ah, well, stuff him then, vote Green

don't vote green - they sold Scotland up the river by voting with the SNP muscling the independence vote through the Scottish parliament. They are charlatans.

Totally agree not comparing the men, Foot and Corbyn. as Foot was a principled decent labour man through and through and Corbyn isn't.

The circumstances of 1981 are the same though.

Which party leader do you want squaring up to the EU in Brexit negotiations?
God, I can't believe it has come to this. I am a lifelong Labour supporter and died-in-the-wool Tory hater and I wouldn't trust Corbyn to book me a taxi properly, let alone negotiate the best deal for my country.

I actually can't work out if Corbyn is just stupid enough to believe he is electable or his actual agenda is to to destroy the Labour Party.

As he was the most disloyal snd undermining back bench MP while labour was in power I am strongly inclined to believe the latter.

Seeing this government is a shower of shits, the opposition should now be wiping the floor with them. They can't because corbyn is an absolute shambles. That stupid lie over train overcrowding showed how low he could stoop. He is just a shit of a different colour and consistency.