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Corbyn is lovely, why the negativity?

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Wettingthetopbunkbed · 18/04/2017 12:28

Really, why?
Just because he's a bit different in his presentation. He in principled and compassionate, I for one wish he would become the PM.

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WeDoNotSow · 19/04/2017 08:01

This thread = Corbyns lovely, why don't people like him?
Well, because of x y z in fact.
OP. Well I don't care about that, I just like him.

Increasinglymiddleaged · 19/04/2017 08:04

And now here we are again. Tories doing things that ought to make Labour really attractive. Labour utterly failing to capitalise on this golden oppurtunity. Right back to where I came in. Incredibly depressing.

I agree it is utterly depressing, there is so much that labour could win votes on, or at least if they were an effective opposition it would offer checks and balances.

But OP yabu I really don't like him.

Spudlet · 19/04/2017 08:07

He strikes me as someone who will give you what he thinks you ought to want, rather than listening to what you actually need.

Bringmesunshite · 19/04/2017 09:02

What spudlet said.

QueenOlivine · 19/04/2017 09:17

His response to the election being called was typically muted. Just so bleh and unenthusiastic. Yes he managed to say we want a fairer society etc. and I agree with him, but he said it in a totally unengaging, boring way with a look on his face like "oh harrumph I suppose I'd better cobble together something to say", as if he was really more concerned with getting the coffees in.

A leader of the opposition should be really going for it in that situation, saying let's do this, this is our chance to get rid of this money-snatching Tory government that's bent on destroying disability protection, workers' rights, the NHS and the education system. Saying something stirring and passionate about the NHS, education and other public services that are dying before our eyes and affecting so many people.

Then on PM there was a labour guy being unbelievably awkward and crap when asked if Corbyn could win it - his answer was all over the place, not wanting to say JC could win unless he looked ridiculous, not wanting to say he couldn't. They need to be trying to give the country a strong, vocal alternative and instead they're just cringing and looking sheepish.

Rhetoric, charisma and personal appeal do matter. You can be good at them and still be genuine - it's about being able to engage with people, communicate ideas and come across like you have passion, belief, a sense of justice, a sense of humour. Barack Obama is an example of someone who's good at it - it doesn't mean he's all surface or not genuine.

JC not only doesn't have these skills, he also comes over like he just can't be arsed and is mildly irritated at having to make a statement at all.

LumelaMme · 19/04/2017 09:19

Anyone who is put off voting for a party because of their frontman/ front-woman needs to read more.
I've read plenty. I've followed the whole Livingstone saga with great interest. I noticed John McDonnell waving Mao's Little Red Book around in the HoC and saying how it had influenced him. Mao? You know what that man did to China, right? The millions of dead (famine, Cultural Revolution, etc etc)? Anyone who thinks Mao was a great guy needs to check out some history.

So, aside from Jezza, we have at the top of the Labour Party John McDonnell, and we have a party not prepared to kick out someone who looks to me like a garden-variety anti-Semite.

Shockedwife · 19/04/2017 09:20

Charisma is nearly always a red flag in religion, politics and relationships imho

QueenOlivine · 19/04/2017 09:23

I do understand that about charisma and that it can be a bad thing, especially in relationships. But I'm not really talking about some kind of magnetic attraction or star quality, but having a personal presence that people can relate to. Being able to string a sentence together that sounds like you mean it. Obviously it's not good if all that is fake. Ideally you want a Labour party leader to genuinely hold strong beliefs and ideals and for that to shine through.

Batgirlspants · 19/04/2017 09:31

It's no good trying to debate with a far left or far right believer. By their nature they are intransigent and incapable of listening to considered debate.

The only good thing with this election will be Corbyn will have to resign when labour are decimated and by the next election labour will have rebuilt under a sensible leader.

I totally put the Brexit results and the last Tory election win firmly at the feet of Corbyn and his supporters and thry should hang their heads in shame.

PinkCrystal · 19/04/2017 09:31

Yanbu

I always vote Labour because I believe in the welfare state and NHS. Kindness and compassion etc. It mostly matches my ideology. Tory is 100 percent not. So whoever was leader wouldn't affect this.

I think many swing voters don't really look in depth at what parties represent.

I do like Corbyn. I think his problems are more that the right wing of the party are causing such divisions. Plus for all those that moan about him, who is the alternative? People like Cooper have the Iraq war hanging over them. Umunna comes over dictorial etc. A party is more than one man. Some people would prefer US personality politics.

Not sure how a decent person could vote Tory with what they did to disabled people and working poor, NHS etc. No matter how they spin it they are as nasty as ever.

I can understand people voting Libdem.

Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 19/04/2017 09:33

Queen I agree, he looked vaguely bewildered and though he said he was keen to have an election, he didn't look keen or clear about what he was going to do. He just can't engage people with his arguments at all. That's a very alarming quality in a politician that, if elected, would have to negotiate Brexit.

drwitch · 19/04/2017 09:34

To me the issue is that I have much more in common with someone like Ken Clark than Jeremy Corbyn - this is not a right versus left wing thing or a view of how much the state should intervene in outcomes but more that I just fundamentally disagree with how he thinks about the world. Not to understand that the fundamental importance of cross national cooperation to protect social democracy in a world of global capital. Not to understand the need for evidence base when thinking about policies. To have such a black and white view of people (and hence the things they say) so that everything blair and brown did was immoral, everything that ken livingstone did was good (or at worst misguided) is just wrong imo

mycatthinksshesatiger · 19/04/2017 09:36

If Corbyn was the least bit concerned about the interests of his party and the vast majority of Labour voters, and actually wanted a chance to be in government so he can effect the changes he advocates, he might have thought twice about backing the vote today to call an eleection.

As TM needs a two-thirds majority in today's vote to overrule the new every 5-years general election system (a vote which itself seems a highly un-democratic move, but that''s for another thread), Labour blocking this could have had a huge impact.

It is absolutely not in the Labour party's interest to go through with this election - in fact they will be signing their own suicide note. And I don't think that's over-dramaic. They are going to lose a HUGE number of MPs, they will be massively weakened as a party, and if JC doesn't resign the day after the election, the party will no doubt split (this is possibly what he wants? so he can retain the Labour brand with his little Trotskyist band of merry men?)

I can't see JC's decision to back the vote today as anything other than pure narcissism. He knows his days as leader are numbered (or at least as leader of the current party) and wants to have his last few weeks in the spotlight villifying current economic policies but not actually coming up with any alternatives that could work in real economic terms and ensuring through his lack of realistic, belieavable policies that labour loses plenty of votes. None of this is in the best interests of his party or the traditional labour voters (myself included). It's only in JC's personal interests.

HappydaysArehere · 19/04/2017 09:38

I have voted Labour all my life but can no longer do so. Corbyne and his hard left have ruined the Labour Party. He is a mere puppet and the puppet masters are ready to create havoc. I will have to vote Conservative. There is no choice as this is no time for more political chaos.

RortyCrankle · 19/04/2017 09:39

I will copy/paste what I posted on another thread on the subject:

He is a shambling, useless, ineffective career politician and leader disliked by a large chunk of his own party over which he has no control. Whilst Labour were in Government he rebelled over 400 times against his own party's whip. I abhor the fact that his friends include ex-IRA and Hamas, he's an Islington luvvie who has no interest in this country or its people, Labour will lose every GE whilst he is leader.

I see no reason to change any of the above except to add that I doubt the split in the Labour will ever recover and he is wholly responsible.

HTH

nauticant · 19/04/2017 09:39

Rhetoric, charisma and personal appeal do matter.

Yes, they do, because UK elections are not won by one side convincing its supporters but by convincing the unconvinced.

I think many swing voters don't really look in depth at what parties represent.

And yet these are the people who delivery victory.

Labour is incredibly myopic and self-obsessed at the moment. Much more energy goes into fighting the internal opponent than the external one. I saw that several decades ago and didn't like it then.

Increasinglymiddleaged · 19/04/2017 09:40

I think many swing voters don't really look in depth at what parties represent.

I think that is also true of staunch voters who just vote one way or another because it's what they've always done.

There are also people who agree and disagree with bits of both and think about it very carefully, those centre types. I really dislike this idea that everyone who doesn't always vote labour is clearly stupid. It isn't the case, there are lots of different people and groups in the UK.

I am also Hmm over the anecdotes of 'x is sense because she voted and then lost her job'. Maybe she did it knowingly? Labour getting in may be better for my job prospects personally but it isn't just about that.

GretchenFranklin · 19/04/2017 09:41

At least Corbyn would not hold Trump's hand.

I would like to support him but I can't get over his 3-line whip over Art50. I wish he'd taken the same stance about brexit that Farron/Clegg/Blair etc have done.

I miss Blair now tbh.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 19/04/2017 09:41

Champagne socialist

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 19/04/2017 09:42

And pro IRA....

Headofthehive55 · 19/04/2017 09:49

I agree increasingly I look very carefully and you have to pick the best fit.
The Labour Party pledges seem very expensive...

C8H10N4O2 · 19/04/2017 09:50

so Scary when you are door knocking for the local elections what are people saying to you about him?

Scary did I miss your sage expertise on this? As a mere humble door knocker I would like to know because your patronising non answers would have me kicked out of voters' doorways.

Or are you just another Corbynista Clicktavist?

PinkCrystal · 19/04/2017 09:50

These comments are getting very Daily Mail. 'He supports terrorists'. ..Did you real that in the Dm? Yet it is ok for May to suck up to Trump, Queen shake Mcguiness' hand etc.

EnjoyYourVegetables · 19/04/2017 09:51

The Argentine ambassador to the UK praised Corbyn as "one of ours"!

Says a lot to me.

He backs all the wrong causes imo.

EnjoyYourVegetables · 19/04/2017 09:52

Yes of course I get all my info from the Daily Mail! (Irony)

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