Corbyn is lovely, why the negativity?

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Really, why?
Just because he's a bit different in his presentation. He in principled and compassionate, I for one wish he would become the PM.

A few reasons come to mind. A couple for example.

Not acting against anti-semitism within his party, which is more than a handful of members I expect. Support or sympathy for Hamas.

Not opposing the Tory hard Brexit, by voting for Article 50, instead of only doing so with certain guarantees.

Corbyn would train the whole team then piss off half of them the night before the cup final.
It's ridiculous to believe that every Corbyn critic has been brainwashed into hating him or believes everything they're told by the media - we have eyes! We can see the damage his arrogance and refusal to see beyond his 40 year old political ideals are doing to the Labour Party.

Roaring with laughter at the thought that no 'mid rank' conservative ever 'bitches'. You obviously have never met a conservative or have socialised with them Scary. Some of the best gossip I ever got was via my conservative party colleagues. I was elected to the council under Labour. Have kept the shoes I walked in as a remembrance.

Politics is a team game, and so you follow the leader

... over the cliff. No.

What you're suggesting would be to act like the troops at the Charge of the Light Brigade. Follow blindly even if it's obvious it's leading to disaster.

Quiet and thoughtful is more likely to win? Yeah, worked for Iain Duncan Smith didn't it.

I don't support many of his policies but I was willing to accept he was principled.

Then he backtracked on over a decade of vocal anti-Eu essays etc. And supported remain, even though he clearly didn't really.

That wasn't showing much integrity.

Also the promotion to HOL instantly after that Erwin had just cleared the party of anti-semetism.

That was quite dodgy.

There's just been a lot of little things for me that add up to him being a front, and nothing more.

Yeah Scary, Corbyn's really raced up the ranks!

But the motto for all elections is 'play nice and fight dirty'. Even down to lowly town or parish councillors (who do their considerable duties for free).

Corbyn is principled.

Corbyn did not stand by his principles re brexit.

I do not understand how people can view him as principled with these facts in contrast to one another.

is this the action of a principled team player
deselection

I think you need to raise your standard OP

Moaning and bitching, then pointing to the moaning and bitching as evidence that moaning and bitching is justified is a little crazy.

I worked with politicians who thought being negative had the effect of people going 'oh things must change' in fact all it does is damage strength. Instead be positive, support the leader and when they have power adjust where they exert it.

What's happening now is labour party members who have been blindsided are doing the work of the Tories in giving swathes of online 'evidence' of incapacity.were the opposite true, Corbyn would have increased stature. And therefore so would the party.

It's the left's biggest weakness to permanently undermine anyone who's in charge ..And then wonder why leadership is such an unpopular job...Grow up honestly!

I can understand the dislike for the man. I do believe it has been perpetuated by the media. What I don't get is people who say, "I was a lifelong labour supportor but now ill be voting for TM as I can't stand the man."

It's like Hilary/Trump. And that's how he won. Vote for the party and your own MP whose views align with your own.

I shall be voting labour.

Drwitch that is the clincher for me. He is incapable of holding his own party together, yet when people disgree with him, instead of pulling them together he threatens them with deselection. He's clearly banking on the new Labour membership deselecting long standing Labour MP's and replacing them with hard left candidates. That will lead to annihilation by the electorate. The female MP's who have complained about being threatened with misogynistic comments and abuse have not been brainwashed by the press. We need a strong sensible opposition. If the Tories are pulling apart the Welfare State and dismantling the NHS, it's partly Corbyn and his cronies' fault. He has provided a completely ineffective opposition.

I don't get it, you don't agree with his views, and think he's bludgeoning through on principles, but also don't like it when he acts strategically?

so Scary when you are door knocking for the local elections what are people saying to you about him?

Acting strategically would be doing something for the good of the party, to get elected or at the very least form a strong opposition. Filling your cabinet with Momentum activists and people who are more likely to agree with you when your popularity is at an all time low amongst the electorate is not acting strategically. Unless his strategy is to make himself less likely to have to explain himself to his own party.

I get that seasoned members of political parties hate when someone moves faster up the ranks than they wanted them to, and that they don't like a leader they can't control by bitching and sneering

also this is a classic example of why I dislike the mood he has created within the party - Scary that's such a dismissive and incorrect post - you are ignoring all the perfectly reasonable and valid points people have made on this thread - which is exactly what he does - His mates do the sneering and the dismissive stuff to party members - much as you are doing on this thread.

I am on the left of the party - I am a socialist - old school northern lefty, I stood on picket lines, collected for the miners, went to Greenham, marched against apartheid ...

People opposed to his style of leadership are equal party members with a right to a view without being shut down

I don't know how old the rest of you are. I'm 55.

In 1979 I was just too young to vote and watched in horror as Mrs Thatcher took power. Looking back now, it seems less surprising, after the endless industrial unrest of the 70s.

I was young and naive when the 1983 election came around. After the seismic changes the Thatcher government had pushed through, I thought Labour must have an excellent chance of winning. What I hadn't banked on was the power of self-interest (council house sales etc etc), the SDP diluting the Labour vote, the Falklands effect and the utter lack of appeal to the average voter of the far Left policies in the Labour manifesto - described by Gerald Kaufmann as the longest suicide note in history. Militant, a Trotskyite entryist organisation, was massively influential on Labour at this point. Thatcher got re-elected with a much increased majority.

In 1987 Labour was once again trounced, for the same reasons. It began to look as if Labour could never be elected again.

In 1992, having gone through the painful process of expelling Militant, and on a far less Left-wing manifesto, Labour was narrowly beaten but was able to exert a far greater influence on the minority Tory government over the next five years.

In 1997 Blair won a landslide victory. I don't approve of a lot they did, but they had power. They were able to actually implement what was in their manifesto. They won again in 2001 and 2005.

And now here we are again. Tories doing things that ought to make Labour really attractive. Labour utterly failing to capitalise on this golden oppurtunity. Right back to where I came in. Incredibly depressing.

Politics is a team game, and so you follow the leader. Simple.

Just like Corbyn did for all those years on the backbenches, scaryclown?

It's the sign of his weakness that he's calling members of his own party, lifelong labour voters, traitors. I've never been disloyal before, but Corbyn demands it, there is nothing at all I like about him and yes, he's worse than the tories and to be fair, a hell of a lot of people think the same which is why May is a making the gamble. Labour need a better leader, as soon as it can be delivered.

Instead be positive, support the leader

And again, just like Corbyn did for all those years as a backbencher, scaryclown?

I would only think he was lovely if he realised his failings as a leader and stepped down. At this rate he is handing the vote to the Tories on a plate and to the SNP in Scotland. Fgs man wake up and save the party, but I expect he will bumble along till Labour wake up and put him back on the back benches where he belongs.

I am on the left of the party - I am a socialist - old school northern lefty, I stood on picket lines, collected for the miners, went to Greenham, marched against apartheid ...

at fellow Old School Northern lefty..

I am pretty far left in most things. I would like to see the railways re-nationalised, for example. It's not JC's left-ness that puts me off, I just don't trust that he has any sort of practical plan, especially wrt to the economy.
I want a John Smith, or even an Alan Johnson. You want to feel that, even if you don't agree with every policy, there is a safe pair of hands at the tiller.
I would also like to know why the Hell Labour can't muster a decent female candidate.
I will be voting for my Labour MP despite Jeremy. I might even join the party, and try and get rid of JC from within. That's probably the only thing to do at the moment.

Corbyn couldn't run a whelk stall. He has some dodgy friends, and some unpleasant hard Left characters are doing very well on his watch.

Just when the country actually needs a really good opposition...