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AIBU - 12yo boy peed in relative's garden in front of 5yo DD

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Concerned45 · 14/04/2017 21:05

Looking for advice in delicate situation please.

We left our DD at family party for 7yo with plenty of relatives to look out for her. She is used to spending time there and there were lots of children there although DD was one of only 2 girls of at least 10 children.

In asking about the party on her return she mentioned the above incident. I asked whether she told a grown up and who else was there at the time. She said it was just the 2 of them in a part if the garden not visible from house, other children were in other part if garden or in the house at the time and that he had told her not to tell anyone that it happened. I asked why she thinks he did it given that the garden isn't large and there are several toilets in house, she said he just needed to go there and then but she didn't see his boy bits.

The boy in questions is DS of a relative. All wider family have perceived for at least 10yrs that he has some SEN issues that probably need intervention or at least support. He is a v sweet and polite boy but his behaviour is routinely very disruptive, v over excited and unable to play in a calm way or avoid breaking toys or damaging furniture/ornaments esp when he was younger, on one occasion he spoke to his mother in what I would regard as really quite scary aggressive/threatening tones when he realised they wouldn't get home in time to watch his favourite tv programme. Having started secondary school, apparently he has v few friends and has an arrangement to stay indoors at lunchtime as the playground presented to many challenges. From what I know, his mother does not consider that he needs anything other than love and attention in order to overcome earlier disruption in his life (he is not biological DS of my relative but she has had him since he was a toddler). Am not sure where my relative's DH stands on this issue but he clearly seems to get very stressed out by DS' behaviour. Wider family have gently tried to suggest getting additional support for him but response from mother has not been positive. I'm not close enough to know full details of this but have never passed judgement on how my relative is bringing up her DC (her other DC, also not biological do not suffer from same behavioural issues). We've tried to accommodate her DS and e.g. intervened to defuse situation when other adults are getting stressed out at his behaviour if his parents are not around etc.

Anyway, with this recent incident, my DH is absolutely fuming and wants me to address it but I'm not sure how to go about it. I've briefly discussed it with the host of the party who was mortified and v apologetic to us. I assured them it wasn't their fault as the DC are old enough to look after themselves playing in enclosed garden and I wouldn't have spent the whole party following DD around the garden anyway had I been there. The host agrees this is a tricky situation but that it needs to be communicated back to the DS' mother.

AIBU regardless of the outcome of the conversation (when it happens) to avoid DD interacting with this boy or should we try to be part of a wider supportive network to help him?

Any advice gratefully received on this point as well as on how to raise this issue in the first place.

OP posts:
HooAteMyCheese · 15/04/2017 00:24

Half naked I said Wink or the odd glimpse of a penis in too short shorts back in the day. We certainly weren't 'traumatised' by it.

AmysTiara · 15/04/2017 00:26

Massive over reaction from you and your DH.

TitaniasCloset · 15/04/2017 00:40

You are being completely ridiculous Op. Here, have my first mumsnet biscuit.
Biscuit

peachgreen · 15/04/2017 01:10

Well, if my 12-year old nephew whipped it out to pee in the garden I'd be pretty horrified, especially now OP has clarified that it wasn't in a bush but on the path and he made no attempt to keep it private. I agree that it's not sexual but that doesn't mean it's appropriate!

Floggingmolly · 15/04/2017 01:19

From DD's explanation he didn't turn away from her
And yet she claims not to have seen his penis. Is it invisible? Was he actually having a wee at all? It's all a bit of a storm just a teacup.

Devilishpyjamas · 15/04/2017 06:40

If it's not about weeing outdoors WTF is it about then OP? That's even worse - of you are making a big thing about it because he is adopted and may or may not have some special needs.

Please keep your daughter away from him. Seeing him wee in a busy or on a path (avoiding crawling babies) is really not going to be damaging to her but you and your DH seeing something sexual or something wildly inappropriate in pretty typical boy behaviour will be incredibly damaging for him. Please don't do that to the boy because you're too uptight to cope with SN or non biological backgrounds. Hmm

coconuttella · 15/04/2017 07:14

OP - even if you're keeping the worst of your hysteria from your daughter, you are not doing her any favours. Any anxiety she may have as a result of this is probably your extreme reaction rather than her seeing an older boy was peeing (and not even seeing this willy!).... Although I admit it's not exactly good manners, she will very likely see boys/men peeing at times during her life (behind bushes etc) and all you're doing is over-sensitising her to this, ensuring she feels a sexual threat where there is none.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 15/04/2017 07:21

How can she not have seen his bits if he didn't turn away from her? Confused

iamavodkadrinker · 15/04/2017 07:24

WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 15/04/2017 07:28

To be fair, it's not the OP overeacting as much as the DH appears to be.

OP. Your DH really needs to atop seeing something sexual in all of this. The boy needed a wee. Yes he should have gone inside but the age makes no difference to me. Mainly because you see grown men on a weekend not being able to hold their wee too.

FWIW. In my DCs last school. There was a couple who did this sort of thing. They'd go in and kick off over every little thing. Including one day when a little lad with SENs fell in the playground, as he put his hands out to stop himself from falling, their daughter ran past him and he accidentally touched her leg midfall as the girl ran past (she hadn't noticed he'd tripped just carried on running near/over him). The Dad kicked off telling the school not to let the child anywhere near his. Everyone thought they were batshit avoids them like the plague.

Gallavich · 15/04/2017 07:33

This is bonkers.
I have a DS and he loves peeing in the garden. I mean he's not allowed to as a rule but if he can get awa with it he will.

This wasn't a sexual act on the boy's part - I would put money on it. Young boys like peeing outdoors, and if this boy is less mature than his peers he probably doesn't have a sense of privacy about his body that most 12 year olds might have developed.
Your DD was unreasonably worried about such a minor thing which suggests that you and her father may have instilled some anxiety in her - especially given the way you are reacting to such a non issue.

Batgirlspants · 15/04/2017 07:36

Fuck me I caught my 2 aged 7 and 8 literally having a pissing competition up the fence to see who could pee the highest. Boys are like that op.

Please don't stress your dd out about this and please don't use the term non biological child it's incredibly offensive and insensitive and cruel.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 15/04/2017 07:36

I was once driving in Wales on a main road, but quite an isolated one, and a coach had pulled over in a layby - and there was an entire coachload of men peeing in a long line (I think it was a team coach of some sort). They all had their backs to the road so it wasn't too traumatic - but nobody started a MN thread on my behalf.

alreadytaken · 15/04/2017 07:39

when there is a toilet available a 12 year old child - boy or girl - should go and use it. If you are in the middle of nowhere it's different.

Boys not taught to use a toilet grow up into men who do not do so.

And yes I do think there would be a different reaction if this was a girl who'd chosen to wee in a bush when there was a toilet available.

springflowers11 · 15/04/2017 07:41

I think your dh is actually quite an evil bastard , seeking to blacken this poor boy's name by insinuating that he has somehow behaved in a sexual manner to your dd

Batgirlspants · 15/04/2017 07:47

already don't be ridiculous. My boys were certainly told to use a toilet but in the midst of s game or being silly they do pee outside. Of course you tell them off but it's hardly the crime of the century.

My lads are now 28/27 and can assure you they use the toilet.

cansu · 15/04/2017 07:49

Tbh most kids would have gone back and said x is weeing in the garden. Then someone in my family would say oh no dont do that use the loo. And that would be the end of it. You are massively dramatising this and this seems to be because of all this crap about the child having SN and being adopted. You are actually being ludicrous.

twattymctwatterson · 15/04/2017 07:52

It sounds like you're wary of this boy because he's a bit different which is quite awful really. The emphasis on his possible SEN and the fact that he's "not blood related" leaves a really bad taste

onwardsandbeyond · 15/04/2017 07:54

I don't see what the SENs have to do with it and why the OP bothered to write so much about it. The whole post just reads nasty.

JakeBallardswife · 15/04/2017 07:58

My DS would've weed in the garden in those circumstances.

Screwinthetuna · 15/04/2017 07:58

He had a wee in a bush and she didn't see his penis.
Talk about turning a mountain into a molehill Hmm

dailyshite · 15/04/2017 08:01

Ours used to do it on purpose because they knew it made some of their more neurotic friends (who were girls) scream and it made them laugh their socks off (always with their back to people though, so very classy). I also found them one day both weeing in the same toilet and trying to cross streams (they didn't know about Ghostbusters and the danger of crossing streams at that age). Then again they are both adopted and one has SEN so that probably explains why they are not normal and on the path to becoming sociopaths / sex offenders.

snowfedup · 15/04/2017 08:34

Place marking, can't wait to see if "Emma" is brave enough to post again !

Caprianna · 15/04/2017 08:39

Doesn't weeing in the garden keep foxes away?

MsHooliesCardigan · 15/04/2017 09:05

A few years ago, we went camping so I invested in a Shewee. For a while, I was completely addicted to peeing outside, it's incredibly liberating.

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