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AIBU - 12yo boy peed in relative's garden in front of 5yo DD

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Concerned45 · 14/04/2017 21:05

Looking for advice in delicate situation please.

We left our DD at family party for 7yo with plenty of relatives to look out for her. She is used to spending time there and there were lots of children there although DD was one of only 2 girls of at least 10 children.

In asking about the party on her return she mentioned the above incident. I asked whether she told a grown up and who else was there at the time. She said it was just the 2 of them in a part if the garden not visible from house, other children were in other part if garden or in the house at the time and that he had told her not to tell anyone that it happened. I asked why she thinks he did it given that the garden isn't large and there are several toilets in house, she said he just needed to go there and then but she didn't see his boy bits.

The boy in questions is DS of a relative. All wider family have perceived for at least 10yrs that he has some SEN issues that probably need intervention or at least support. He is a v sweet and polite boy but his behaviour is routinely very disruptive, v over excited and unable to play in a calm way or avoid breaking toys or damaging furniture/ornaments esp when he was younger, on one occasion he spoke to his mother in what I would regard as really quite scary aggressive/threatening tones when he realised they wouldn't get home in time to watch his favourite tv programme. Having started secondary school, apparently he has v few friends and has an arrangement to stay indoors at lunchtime as the playground presented to many challenges. From what I know, his mother does not consider that he needs anything other than love and attention in order to overcome earlier disruption in his life (he is not biological DS of my relative but she has had him since he was a toddler). Am not sure where my relative's DH stands on this issue but he clearly seems to get very stressed out by DS' behaviour. Wider family have gently tried to suggest getting additional support for him but response from mother has not been positive. I'm not close enough to know full details of this but have never passed judgement on how my relative is bringing up her DC (her other DC, also not biological do not suffer from same behavioural issues). We've tried to accommodate her DS and e.g. intervened to defuse situation when other adults are getting stressed out at his behaviour if his parents are not around etc.

Anyway, with this recent incident, my DH is absolutely fuming and wants me to address it but I'm not sure how to go about it. I've briefly discussed it with the host of the party who was mortified and v apologetic to us. I assured them it wasn't their fault as the DC are old enough to look after themselves playing in enclosed garden and I wouldn't have spent the whole party following DD around the garden anyway had I been there. The host agrees this is a tricky situation but that it needs to be communicated back to the DS' mother.

AIBU regardless of the outcome of the conversation (when it happens) to avoid DD interacting with this boy or should we try to be part of a wider supportive network to help him?

Any advice gratefully received on this point as well as on how to raise this issue in the first place.

OP posts:
misskelly · 15/04/2017 15:03

Speaking as the owner of a 12 year old boy who has no SN issues. I get to spend a lot of time with him and his gang of 12 year old pals who are a mixture of SN and NT who're all pretty good kids. It never ceases to amaze me how disgusting they can be and the acts of sheer stupidity they do. Peeing in a bush would rank as mild compared to some of the stuff they do.

I'll be generous and say your DH has forgotten what boys are like, but as the mother of a Dd with SN I'm guessing that it's the SEN that's the problem.

TheRealPooTroll · 15/04/2017 15:07

The sen could be an issue IF the child needs a heads up about dropping his pants in front of others. But since the info about the babies crawling around and the dd having to turn away so she didn't see only came after the flaming I'm not convinced that's how it happened.

Aeroflotgirl · 15/04/2017 15:12

I agree Splinter, the boys SN and immaturity will help explain why he did that, and to brush it off, more than if it was a NT boy.

Woody67 · 15/04/2017 15:14

Incidentally, why does DH feel it's your job to address this 'situation"? Why can't he do so if he's fuming about it?

misskelly · 15/04/2017 15:20

Is it generally accepted by people who don't have experience with children with SEN that they never know how to behave socially and any thing considered than expemplery behaviour is a problem? Have you OP considered that all children behave like children and sometimes they behave in a way you don't think is acceptable. They don't need every misdemeanour jumped on as proof they are 'different'.

My dd is the most compliant well behaved, friendly, polite child you will ever meet compared to my more lively NT ds. Ds has never been place under the same scrutiny as dd, or ostracised by others even though objectivity I would say she is much more pleasant than my ds in how she interacts with others. The only thing is her SN, it makes me wonder.

Misstic · 15/04/2017 15:35

OP, I think the problem is with your thoughts nor this boy having a pee in a manicured garden. Your DD witnessed the incident but did not see the boy's privates. Sounds like you interrogated your daughter over this. Weird!

Clearly you think this boy is beneath your perfect family and you would rather that he is kept as far away from you and your family as possible in case his lowliness rubs off on you and yours.

Aeroflotgirl · 15/04/2017 16:28

Because most 12 year olds would not take a wee in the back garden. Yes i have a daughter who is 10 and has ASD, learning difficulty, Dev delay, and might not always recognise the signs she needs the toilet, so will be busting when she needs the toilet, so there have been a few bush visits. Plus her aversion to public toilets.

Aeroflotgirl · 15/04/2017 16:52

Also my daughter will pull down her pants in front of people and go and not have the understanding to.be private and why we need to be private. Mabey this boy is similar.

dowhatnow · 15/04/2017 16:57

In a bush no problem. On the path in full view of dd needs gentle guidance on appropriateness (sorry mrsDV I know you hate that word) be they SN or NT.

AtomHeart · 15/04/2017 18:34

So,OP. Has your DH had the convo with the boy's mum yet?

Why do you think that you should avoid your DD having contact with the boy?

ILikeyourHairyHands · 15/04/2017 20:15

I'm 42 and enjoy an al fresco garden pee on occasion. It's good to get a breeze to the bits.

Sometimes I get my shewee out and piss up the wall for shits and giggles.

No-one is harmed by this.

Aeroflotgirl · 15/04/2017 20:18

But you woulden't do it in a garden full of people would you Ilikey. The issue is a non issue here, I woulden't care less if my child saw another child wee, but the boy does have SN, so mabey needs to be guided in that area for next time.

ILikeyourHairyHands · 15/04/2017 20:30

Probably not Aero, maybe if there was a bush to hide in, a massive queue for the loo and it was my garden, I may consider it.

Aeroflotgirl · 15/04/2017 20:36

😀😀😀😀 Ilike

Orangebird69 · 15/04/2017 20:40

This thread is FAB. Typical Aibu.

Op - Aibu?
Every fucking one else - yes!
Op - but but but!!

Op - YABU. And a bit of a drama llama.

buttercup54321 · 15/04/2017 21:10

You are massively over reacting,

etsiketsi · 15/04/2017 22:12

As the mother of a 13 year old, and generally with a house full of his friends, I can categorically say I take a dim view of end of garden bush weeing. Rude and impolite. However, I wouldn't put it past any single one of them to do it and tell onlookers not to tell - because I would disapprove 😆. In fact I'd probably say they've all done it and probably in my lovely pots. 😡

Gotta love em 🙄😊

What I find horrifically worrying is people overthinking and over sexualising boys' silly behaviours. How do people even think this stuff? Disturbed minds of adults? You are attributing your own nasty, sexualised thoughts to boys who are still children. Stop it!

NotReallyMeToday · 15/04/2017 23:18

God! I remember being about 10 or so and getting in trouble for peeing in the garden because I couldn't be bothered going into the house. I thought no one was there, but my mother saw me from a window and told me off thoroughly.

I'm female and totally NT. I was just 10 and a bit gross really. I think it's worth a gentle reminder from a parent that you don't do that stuff, but it's not remotely a safeguarding issue. It's a child being grotty. I bet he picks his nose too.

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