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AIBU - 12yo boy peed in relative's garden in front of 5yo DD

268 replies

Concerned45 · 14/04/2017 21:05

Looking for advice in delicate situation please.

We left our DD at family party for 7yo with plenty of relatives to look out for her. She is used to spending time there and there were lots of children there although DD was one of only 2 girls of at least 10 children.

In asking about the party on her return she mentioned the above incident. I asked whether she told a grown up and who else was there at the time. She said it was just the 2 of them in a part if the garden not visible from house, other children were in other part if garden or in the house at the time and that he had told her not to tell anyone that it happened. I asked why she thinks he did it given that the garden isn't large and there are several toilets in house, she said he just needed to go there and then but she didn't see his boy bits.

The boy in questions is DS of a relative. All wider family have perceived for at least 10yrs that he has some SEN issues that probably need intervention or at least support. He is a v sweet and polite boy but his behaviour is routinely very disruptive, v over excited and unable to play in a calm way or avoid breaking toys or damaging furniture/ornaments esp when he was younger, on one occasion he spoke to his mother in what I would regard as really quite scary aggressive/threatening tones when he realised they wouldn't get home in time to watch his favourite tv programme. Having started secondary school, apparently he has v few friends and has an arrangement to stay indoors at lunchtime as the playground presented to many challenges. From what I know, his mother does not consider that he needs anything other than love and attention in order to overcome earlier disruption in his life (he is not biological DS of my relative but she has had him since he was a toddler). Am not sure where my relative's DH stands on this issue but he clearly seems to get very stressed out by DS' behaviour. Wider family have gently tried to suggest getting additional support for him but response from mother has not been positive. I'm not close enough to know full details of this but have never passed judgement on how my relative is bringing up her DC (her other DC, also not biological do not suffer from same behavioural issues). We've tried to accommodate her DS and e.g. intervened to defuse situation when other adults are getting stressed out at his behaviour if his parents are not around etc.

Anyway, with this recent incident, my DH is absolutely fuming and wants me to address it but I'm not sure how to go about it. I've briefly discussed it with the host of the party who was mortified and v apologetic to us. I assured them it wasn't their fault as the DC are old enough to look after themselves playing in enclosed garden and I wouldn't have spent the whole party following DD around the garden anyway had I been there. The host agrees this is a tricky situation but that it needs to be communicated back to the DS' mother.

AIBU regardless of the outcome of the conversation (when it happens) to avoid DD interacting with this boy or should we try to be part of a wider supportive network to help him?

Any advice gratefully received on this point as well as on how to raise this issue in the first place.

OP posts:
AbernathysFringe · 14/04/2017 23:05

Agree with Brasty, you don't know 100% that it was innocent. It's better to err on the side of caution with your DD being so young and monitor their interaction a bit more in a subtle way. His mum will probably mention if he's been in trouble for it in the past (which would explain the don't tell request) when you tell her.

Aeroflotgirl · 14/04/2017 23:06

I agree, op dUghter said in the op she did not see his willy, so obviously must be facing away from dd, now op has drip fed and said something different, that he was facing dd, so I think in that respect she might have seen his willy. Either way it's so trivial, he was going for a wee, not playing with himself or asking her to touch it.

Pentapus · 14/04/2017 23:07

Its not a very big deal unless you choose to make out he's depraved causing endless damage all round.

Well summarised Queen.

NotTheDuchessOfCambridge · 14/04/2017 23:07

Oh my days, I don't think I've ever seen such an over reaction to something so trivial! OP, you (and probably your OH) are not listening to the overwhelming majority! Kids wee, boys are lucky enough to go in bushes without the worry of balance and wet feet. Have you never or your husband been caught short? Down town on Saturday evenings the council even put up street urinals to stop lads peeing down alleyways. We walk our children down there and they come out the other end non-traumatised because we don't make a big deal out of it. You need to get a grip or your daughter will think she witnessed something dirty or wrong and what you are implying may impact on this poor boys life.

FoundNeverland · 14/04/2017 23:08

I've read the whole thread. You and your husband are very weird and need help.

Practically everyone is saying you are overreacting and you don't see it. What would it take to make you realise you have the whole situation wrong?

Your poor daughter. I hope you haven't made it such a big deal with her as you have on this thread...

planetclom · 14/04/2017 23:11

Oh do tell your Dh to fuck off, the filth is in his mind.
As the parent of two 12 year old SEN boys, one of mine has sensory and continence issues and weeing outside is one on them.
There is nothing sexual, he has done it since he was 2, he doesn't want people to see as he is modest in his own funny way and he knows vaguely it's not normal to do this so asks that people leave or not tell others about his problem or keep it a "secret" he also asks the other children to go away, normally as if he does do a wee, his anxiety kicks in and he thinks he will be in trouble for not using the toilet.
We could turn this on it's head and say
Odd your child sticks around in what is obviously a small suburban garden with plenty of adults around. I would be questioning you on why she thought it was okay to stay there... what was she hoping to see?
and if you are my cousin Emma don't expect anymore invites !

Maisy84 · 14/04/2017 23:16

In my experience boys like peeing on trees given half a chance - I once caught my nephew peeing on his vegetable patch, didn't occur to me to restrict his contact with my children!

Blaise23 · 14/04/2017 23:19

Exactly, CustardLover - his " non-biological" relationship to his mother is the whole point of this thread, isn't it?

Blood will out, eh, OP?

Better keep an eye on my adopted child, make sure I notice when he turns bad, too.

FrancisCrawford · 14/04/2017 23:20

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MrsHenryWales · 14/04/2017 23:21

and if you are my cousin Emma don't expect anymore invites !

Ooh, maybe this evening is about to pick up after all!! puffs pillow and gets popcorn

SabineUndine · 14/04/2017 23:23

Goodness I've lost count of the times I've seen even adult men peeing al fresco. I'm not saying I think it's acceptable, it's terrible bad manners but it's not something to worry about. I would just have a word with his mum about suggesting now he's growing up, he shouldn't do this. That's all

Bubblesagain · 14/04/2017 23:25

If he stays inside at break time because the school yard is too overwhelming I could see how peeing outside would be preferable even though he knew he shouldn't rather then navigating a house full of plenty of relatives. I once peed in a bucket rather then go out of my room when there was lots of people in the house for a party when I was about 17.

I don't see the relevance of him not being the mothers biological son? Is this just so she can be definetly sure it's her when she's reading your bitchy comments on her parenting if she reads mumsnet or ?

Batgirlspants · 14/04/2017 23:26

Don't be so bloody silly op and your dh!

DoloresTheRunawayTrain · 14/04/2017 23:28

Each post is getting more and more elaborate than your op. Next, it will be that the boy asked your dd to do something which definitely crosses the line you seem to want it to cross. You and your Dh are seeing paedophiles around every corner and if you have that many concerns then you should be ensuring she is within your sight at all times and not abandoning her at a party where there were other male children (which you also seem to have a problem with). You particularly have a problem with this non-biological child and seem determined to paint him as a bad egg. As said, make no big deal and just state to his mother that perhaps it was a bit inappropriate to get caught that short that he had to go there and then and perhaps to remind him to go before he gets that desperate.
Why do you need to reassure your daughter? She is obviously picking up on your vibes that males are bad news, particularly this one.

JayneAusten · 14/04/2017 23:29

So first it's She said it was just the 2 of them in a part if the garden not visible from house, other children were in other part if garden or in the house at the time and next the problem is that there are crawling babies all over the place?

Nonsense, OP. You just don't like the responses you've been given. FWIW I agree with everyone that your overreaction is laughable and that the way you speak about both adoption and SEN is unpleasant.

Mrsfloss · 14/04/2017 23:29

Emma is that you?

Emphasise · 14/04/2017 23:31

I'd be pretty cross if a twelve year old weed in my small urban garden tbh, it's not the same a a wee in the woods at all, but if I knew there were SN, I'd keep my crossness to myself. I can't see any possible impact on your daughter, even if she did get a glimpse of is boy bits (which she didnt)

Seems very odd to be the kind of parents who are happy to leave 5yo DD at a gathering like this and then over react to something so trivial.

saoirse31 · 14/04/2017 23:34

Oh op, the babies crawling around? Fair play to him for missing the babies, and ur dd and whoever else turns out to have been there next time u post.

Yabu. Kids wee in outdoors, boys esp, girls too.

saoirse31 · 14/04/2017 23:37

Oh, and ur comments re boy in ur first post are nasty and reflect poorly on you.

FreeNiki · 14/04/2017 23:39

Call the police op Grin

Atenco · 14/04/2017 23:47

Only reason I ever envied men their penises is because life must be so much easier peeing standing up.

One of the oddest posts I've ever seen, all the detail about the wee lad's life and all the pearl clutching about a boy taking a wee.

TreeTop7 · 14/04/2017 23:50

I'm hoping that the unnecessary background info you gave about the boy in your OP was intended to be helpful, rather than spiteful.

Anyway, to answer your question - you're overreacting and so is your husband.

Voice0fReason · 15/04/2017 00:00

There is no impact on your DD

It sounds like you are trying to use this as the reason you have been looking for to explain why you don't want your DD having anything to do with this boy anymore. It's clear that you don't like him.

HooAteMyCheese · 15/04/2017 00:15

People have said it's not a big deal, as OP's DD didn't see his 'boy bits'. But I'm wondering what if she did? Are little girls not supposed to glimpse genitalia of the opposite sex anymore? In a non sexual Situation? In the olden days boys and girls ran around half naked playing. So what if she did see his boy bits while he was peeing? Why would this traumatise her? What's wrong with her knowing what boy bits look like? It's not as if he the boy poked his penis at her or made her touch it or anything horrible such like.

It's just a glimpse of penis peeing. I'm slipping over from all the pearls rolling all over the floor here.

Emphasise · 15/04/2017 00:20

I agree with you about the trauma hoo, but I don't think 12yos ever ran around naked