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AIBU - 12yo boy peed in relative's garden in front of 5yo DD

268 replies

Concerned45 · 14/04/2017 21:05

Looking for advice in delicate situation please.

We left our DD at family party for 7yo with plenty of relatives to look out for her. She is used to spending time there and there were lots of children there although DD was one of only 2 girls of at least 10 children.

In asking about the party on her return she mentioned the above incident. I asked whether she told a grown up and who else was there at the time. She said it was just the 2 of them in a part if the garden not visible from house, other children were in other part if garden or in the house at the time and that he had told her not to tell anyone that it happened. I asked why she thinks he did it given that the garden isn't large and there are several toilets in house, she said he just needed to go there and then but she didn't see his boy bits.

The boy in questions is DS of a relative. All wider family have perceived for at least 10yrs that he has some SEN issues that probably need intervention or at least support. He is a v sweet and polite boy but his behaviour is routinely very disruptive, v over excited and unable to play in a calm way or avoid breaking toys or damaging furniture/ornaments esp when he was younger, on one occasion he spoke to his mother in what I would regard as really quite scary aggressive/threatening tones when he realised they wouldn't get home in time to watch his favourite tv programme. Having started secondary school, apparently he has v few friends and has an arrangement to stay indoors at lunchtime as the playground presented to many challenges. From what I know, his mother does not consider that he needs anything other than love and attention in order to overcome earlier disruption in his life (he is not biological DS of my relative but she has had him since he was a toddler). Am not sure where my relative's DH stands on this issue but he clearly seems to get very stressed out by DS' behaviour. Wider family have gently tried to suggest getting additional support for him but response from mother has not been positive. I'm not close enough to know full details of this but have never passed judgement on how my relative is bringing up her DC (her other DC, also not biological do not suffer from same behavioural issues). We've tried to accommodate her DS and e.g. intervened to defuse situation when other adults are getting stressed out at his behaviour if his parents are not around etc.

Anyway, with this recent incident, my DH is absolutely fuming and wants me to address it but I'm not sure how to go about it. I've briefly discussed it with the host of the party who was mortified and v apologetic to us. I assured them it wasn't their fault as the DC are old enough to look after themselves playing in enclosed garden and I wouldn't have spent the whole party following DD around the garden anyway had I been there. The host agrees this is a tricky situation but that it needs to be communicated back to the DS' mother.

AIBU regardless of the outcome of the conversation (when it happens) to avoid DD interacting with this boy or should we try to be part of a wider supportive network to help him?

Any advice gratefully received on this point as well as on how to raise this issue in the first place.

OP posts:
TheRealPooTroll · 14/04/2017 22:32

Wondering if she didn't see only because she looked away. But then surely the op would've mentioned attempted flashing in the op rather than just going for a wee?

TheElephantofSurprise · 14/04/2017 22:32

The issue here is that you left a seven year old in a situation where no-one was taking appropriate care of her. Parties are the worst for this.

PovertyPain · 14/04/2017 22:35

It wouldn't just be your Norks that would get messy if you tried that, Norks. 😁

PovertyPain · 14/04/2017 22:36

It wouldn't just be your Norks that would get messy if you tried that, Norks. 😁

yikesanotherbooboo · 14/04/2017 22:36

Totally agree with the majority here.... why is your husband fuming about a child having a pee in the garden? Agreed it isn't usual party behaviour but ....

SophieofShepherdsBush · 14/04/2017 22:37

Agree with pp re nasty throwbacks to avoiding " odd" people.
You sound predjuciced, precious and small minded op.
A boy with some special needs did a pee because he needed to. Don't make it into something sordid.
It's your and your dh seedy assumptions that are so distasteful here.
I'm not laughing at this thread. Nasty, petty post.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 14/04/2017 22:43

Why is it OK for a boy to take a piss in someone's garden? Just because he can do it standing up, it's alright? Surely if a 12 year old girl pulled her knickers down and squatted, people would be pretty disgusted.

No. I'd just think they were obviously desperate! Confused

Concerned45 · 14/04/2017 22:43

Thanks again for the additional posts.

We've sought to not make this a big issue so reassured DD after initial conversation and haven't raised it with her again.

From DD's explanation he didn't turn away from her.

I realise the thread headline appears farcical at first sight. As I set out in previous posts, this is not about just peeing outdoors.

OP posts:
TheRealPooTroll · 14/04/2017 22:44

I think the dd is 5. Party child was 7.

RebelRogue · 14/04/2017 22:45

What is it about then?
The fact that he's a boy? Or he has SEN? That he peed in front of your DD.

RaymondinaReddington · 14/04/2017 22:45

OP you are coming across as incredibly precious. Do you usually overreact to non- events involving your daughter? Do you think her 'distress' at this could be entirely related to her picking up on your oversensitivity / pearl clutching?

Haffiana · 14/04/2017 22:46

No its not about peeing outdoors. It is about your reaction. There is a problem with your reaction.

At this rate, your drip feeding posts are going to end up completely contradicting what you originally posted.

I will repeat - there is a problem with your reaction. Changing your story will not make that go away.

TheRealPooTroll · 14/04/2017 22:46

Ok so what the thread should say then is that the boy tried to show your dd his privates. I think you'd have got different responses if you said that in your first post.

TrickyKid · 14/04/2017 22:48

Kids sometimes wee in gardens, in front of other kids. Get over it.

Pentapus · 14/04/2017 22:48

As I set out in previous posts, this is not about just peeing outdoors.

Actually, the overwhelming likelihood is that that's exactly what it is.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 14/04/2017 22:49

OP. Has your DH never had to go right there at any time of his life? Because men are renowned for having the bladder size of a gnat.

I do think personally, that your DH appears to be wrongly assuming that the boys intentions were different because he has SENs. That attitude went out with the 1920s.
I can remember being about 14/15 when I took the dog for a walk. Walked too far and was gone too long and was absolutely bursting for the loo when I got back. Making it to the loo didnt make a difference. I still had an accident right there in front of the loo because my body couldn't hold it anymore. Blush

With all due respect your DH and possibly you are reading far too much into it.

LordCake · 14/04/2017 22:50

I love how everyone is declaring this is not sexual, when they have no idea at all if it was.

I would declare it not sexual due to the fact that her DD saw nothing. The kid having a wee clearly had enough common sense to do it without exposing himself at all. That to me suggests. Lazy pre teen having fun playing can't be bothered to go inside for a wee. Presumably he asked her not to tell because he knows he shouldn't really wee in the garden and doesn't want to get told off for it.

If he has SEN or not seems totally irrelevant to me. I don't understand what the massive drama is about. All it needs is a quiet word to his mum only saying "x decided it would be a good idea to have a wee in the garden in front of y. Don't worry she didn't see anything but I just thought I'd let you know in case you want to talk to him about it."

CustardLover · 14/04/2017 22:51

I re-read the OP and honestly it's the point about the DS not being the biological child of your relative that is illuminated in a quite nasty light - why is this even slightly relevant? That's the superfluous detail that undermines all the seemingly earnest words like 'supporting' and 'distress' for me - it strikes a rotten chord in your perception of this non-event. I feel very sorry for the little boy.

arsenalwatford · 14/04/2017 22:51

Sorry, I am clear here, but he had a wee, not a wank? In which case get over yourself. It's a garden, he didn't piss in the lounge.

AgentProvocateur · 14/04/2017 22:52

What is it about then? The fact that he's - shock horror! - a boy? Hmm

Ceto · 14/04/2017 22:53

I like the late introduction of the crawling babies. But it doesn't change anything - dogs, foxes and other animals wee in gardens so anyone who lets their baby crawl around is obviously accepting the risk of wee contamination.

LordCake · 14/04/2017 22:53

I re-read the OP and honestly it's the point about the DS not being the biological child of your relative that is illuminated in a quite nasty light

I picked up on that as well. The whole post reads very nastily in many ways. It reads as if you all look down on this boy and his family. Read it back to yourself and ask if it's true. If it is sort that out because that is your main issue.

FrancisCrawford · 14/04/2017 22:56

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EatsShitAndLeaves · 14/04/2017 22:58

I'm somewhat skeptical because of your drip feeding of the detail OP.

I can't help but feel you're trying to justify your and your DH's concerns by making the incident more "incriminating" with each post.

Boys and men "caught short" will wee outside (and women too let's face it, most of us will have peed behind a bush at some point).

You are now implying he deliberately took a piss in front of your DD. Are you sure this is the case?

QueenofPentacles · 14/04/2017 23:00

oh my god boys wee everywhere. I saw boys weeing and I lived to tell the tale.
Its not a very big deal unless you choose to make out he's depraved causing endless damage all round.
Seriously you are OTT

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