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AIBU - 12yo boy peed in relative's garden in front of 5yo DD

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Concerned45 · 14/04/2017 21:05

Looking for advice in delicate situation please.

We left our DD at family party for 7yo with plenty of relatives to look out for her. She is used to spending time there and there were lots of children there although DD was one of only 2 girls of at least 10 children.

In asking about the party on her return she mentioned the above incident. I asked whether she told a grown up and who else was there at the time. She said it was just the 2 of them in a part if the garden not visible from house, other children were in other part if garden or in the house at the time and that he had told her not to tell anyone that it happened. I asked why she thinks he did it given that the garden isn't large and there are several toilets in house, she said he just needed to go there and then but she didn't see his boy bits.

The boy in questions is DS of a relative. All wider family have perceived for at least 10yrs that he has some SEN issues that probably need intervention or at least support. He is a v sweet and polite boy but his behaviour is routinely very disruptive, v over excited and unable to play in a calm way or avoid breaking toys or damaging furniture/ornaments esp when he was younger, on one occasion he spoke to his mother in what I would regard as really quite scary aggressive/threatening tones when he realised they wouldn't get home in time to watch his favourite tv programme. Having started secondary school, apparently he has v few friends and has an arrangement to stay indoors at lunchtime as the playground presented to many challenges. From what I know, his mother does not consider that he needs anything other than love and attention in order to overcome earlier disruption in his life (he is not biological DS of my relative but she has had him since he was a toddler). Am not sure where my relative's DH stands on this issue but he clearly seems to get very stressed out by DS' behaviour. Wider family have gently tried to suggest getting additional support for him but response from mother has not been positive. I'm not close enough to know full details of this but have never passed judgement on how my relative is bringing up her DC (her other DC, also not biological do not suffer from same behavioural issues). We've tried to accommodate her DS and e.g. intervened to defuse situation when other adults are getting stressed out at his behaviour if his parents are not around etc.

Anyway, with this recent incident, my DH is absolutely fuming and wants me to address it but I'm not sure how to go about it. I've briefly discussed it with the host of the party who was mortified and v apologetic to us. I assured them it wasn't their fault as the DC are old enough to look after themselves playing in enclosed garden and I wouldn't have spent the whole party following DD around the garden anyway had I been there. The host agrees this is a tricky situation but that it needs to be communicated back to the DS' mother.

AIBU regardless of the outcome of the conversation (when it happens) to avoid DD interacting with this boy or should we try to be part of a wider supportive network to help him?

Any advice gratefully received on this point as well as on how to raise this issue in the first place.

OP posts:
Deadsouls · 14/04/2017 21:54

alreadytaken

I wonder if a female child did this would the reaction be the seem. Boy or not at 12 he's old enough not to wee in a bush. He should have gone inside and we do boys no favours by excusing bad behaviour.

Are you being serious? In that case all boys, teenagers, men, women, girls must be reprimanded for bad behaviour for pee'ing in the great outdoors. Plus possibly dogs and cats too.
Is it permissible if you're really busting though and no toilet is available? Is thar bad behaviour? Or okay?

HeyRoly · 14/04/2017 21:57

I'm going to disagree and say, given the context of possible SEN and inappropriate behaviour, that this too is inappropriate behaviour.

Why is it OK for a boy to take a piss in someone's garden? Just because he can do it standing up, it's alright? Surely if a 12 year old girl pulled her knickers down and squatted, people would be pretty disgusted.

It's not OK to piss in someone's garden instead of a toilet (your own garden? Fine I guess Confused). It's not OK to decide to take a piss in a garden in front of a seven year old girl.

It just shows a lack of awareness of boundaries and appropriate behaviour.

Aeroflotgirl · 14/04/2017 21:57

Wow she witnessed a bit having a wee, call SS, also he has SN to boot. Forget it, and move on.

zen1 · 14/04/2017 21:57

I don't see why you've got yourself so worked up about whether he does or doesn't have SEN?

As the parent of 3 DS, the other is a non-issue.

PovertyPain · 14/04/2017 21:58

This reminds me of the time a friend and I were drinking on the patio and she panicked as she didn't think she could make it to the toilet. She dropped her knickers and peed over the grate! 😮 I've never been able to look at that grate in the same way. I obviously have classy friends. 😳

SpikeGilesSandwich · 14/04/2017 21:58

Ok, now I have "Pull down your pants and water all the plants in an English country garden!" stuck in my head.

Is the OP for real? What a fuss about nothing, she and her DH must have led incredibly sheltered lives if this is what they find to get worked up about!

TheFirstMrsDV · 14/04/2017 21:59

That isnt what the the OP is about hey
Its about the OPs DD being near a weeing child and how angry her OH is.

Aeroflotgirl · 14/04/2017 22:00

Bet her husbands taken a wee in a bush or outside a toilet.

EverythingEverywhere1234 · 14/04/2017 22:01

Oh my god. You need to get a grip, your DH needs to get a grip. Calm the fuck down, you pair of drama queens.

That said, this did give me a good laugh 😂

JigglyTuff · 14/04/2017 22:02

Boys pee outside because they can without showing much. Girls wet their pants. It's biology.

Unless the OP comes back to explain what exactly her husband was fuming about, I think we can assume this is another Easter gift

TheRealPooTroll · 14/04/2017 22:04

If your dd didn't see anything the only thing I would be thinking was that he was a dirty so and so for not going to the nearby toilet. But I do know a few, slightly younger, boys who seem to enjoy an al fresco wee.

HooAteMyCheese · 14/04/2017 22:05

What's his SEN got to do with the weeing in the garden? What is it your DH is up in arms about? Boy needed to do a pee, couldn't wait so secretly did it in the garden, your DD saw him. Big deal!

TonySopranosVest · 14/04/2017 22:05

Yuk at the whole clickbaity/fake news title as well.

Child pees in front of other child and doesn't show smaller child genitals. What exactly is the issue here?

Concerned45 · 14/04/2017 22:06

Thanks for taking time to post your comments.

Taking a pee outdoors in the woods or while camping or even after a night out is rather different to doing it in someone's manicured garden (on the path, not in a bush) in the middle of the day where there are babies crawling around.

The lack of judgement is the concern together with impact on DD.

DD turned around so as not to look and felt pressure/stress at having to keep this secret for duration of party.

OP posts:
ThreeFish · 14/04/2017 22:07

Bad behaviour!
It's a wee in a bush. If I could do it as easily sometimes I would.

It's not a big deal.

EverythingEverywhere1234 · 14/04/2017 22:09

It's a bit rough but I know men who'd do it as adults. What impact?! Are you quite alright OP? 😂

ThreeFish · 14/04/2017 22:10

Your update makes it funnier.
Your precious DD has to feel pressured to keep a secret of a boy peeing outside.
Get her counselling stat.

Bellybootcut · 14/04/2017 22:13

Let it go OP. It's a non event. A bit gross but that's all.

TheRealPooTroll · 14/04/2017 22:13

So was he facing her and she had to look away or did he turn around?

Floggingmolly · 14/04/2017 22:13

Are you suggesting the boy "pressured" your dd into silence? Hmm

Haffiana · 14/04/2017 22:13

I think you should tell the Daily Mail. They would be the only ones as outraged as you are.

TheRealPooTroll · 14/04/2017 22:14

Also did no-one notice the wee if it was on the path and babies were crawling around?

GreenGinger2 · 14/04/2017 22:14

'Secret'Hmm

Dogs pee on lawns.

April229 · 14/04/2017 22:15

I'm really surprised that based you your recent update you are not taking on board the comments here. A massive over reaction to what is anti social event, at worst.

PossumInAPearTree · 14/04/2017 22:15

Lol.

Impact on Dd? Maybe if you and your dh weren't making such a big deal of it she would have forgotten about it by now?