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To think that it is a genuine possibility that the Sarin attacks have been falsified by the us to legitimise air strikes

191 replies

Beadoren · 13/04/2017 23:12

As above really...

Have we been totally conditioned by the media to believe that the uk/us are the good guys and Russia are the bad guys. I think the us have form for things like this, does video constitute proof? All just rings a bit of the whole Iraq war thing. Do they just have different agendas in Syria than Russia?

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BenadrylCucumberpatch · 14/04/2017 22:14

I agree with you, OP.

The whole thing reeks of absolutely highly convenient bullshit.

BenadrylCucumberpatch · 14/04/2017 22:15

And as a PP said, it wouldn't be the first and won't be the last.

PlanIsNoPlan · 14/04/2017 22:20

YANBU at all to think that it might be a possibility that the 'chemical attack' was fabricated. I haven't RTWT, being put off by the hilarious accusations that the OP should 'think' more "critically", when that is precisely what he/she is doing...So, Assad says he has "proof" that it isn't true, then we should see his proof.

counterpoint · 14/04/2017 22:21

Putin was invited by the legitimate government to restore peace. This he was achieving (if only because the BBC news was struggling for news), or do you have evidence to suggest things were getting worse in Syria before the Coalition-Turks shockingly bombed and killed hundreds of Mosul civilians a few weeks ago (you do remember this happened, right?).

counterpoint · 14/04/2017 22:25

As for Ukraine, Putin had every right to remove the encroachment of NATO near his borders.

Plus, Putin has only ever defended his borders or as now, gone in with the invite of the legitimate government, unlike the UK-USA who attack countries far, far away to set up their oil installations.

Seriously, unless you are an oil baron, I can not understand why anyone could possibly support the bombing of these oil-rich countries!

lisaIambe · 14/04/2017 22:58

Ukraine is a totally separate issue, and again, one in which Putin's reasoning is not as illogical and unreasonable as it has been portrayed as in the western media.

mimishimmi · 15/04/2017 00:54

Counterpoint:"not understand why anyone could possibly support the bombing of these oil-rich countries"

You would support it if you wanted to establish yourself as the pre-eminent powerful state, military and political, in the region. We are just the cannon fodder to those ends and always have been.

Clandestino · 15/04/2017 01:00

As much as I don't like American propaganda, I hate the Russian sneaky and subtle propaganda evdn more. Are you a Putinbot or do you seriously believe this bollocks?

Zafodbeeblbrox10 · 15/04/2017 01:06

Surely it should be the United nations intervening if such was true, and not "the policemen of the world".

ApplePaltrow21 · 15/04/2017 02:06

agree with OP and commiserations for everyone dealing with histy

fact is that we are clearly being walked into yet another war based on some nonsensical justification. dead syrian children changed trump's mind? really? syrian children who would't even be allowed in the US?

who is stupid enough to believe this?

this is going to be iraq all over again

ApplePaltrow21 · 15/04/2017 02:07

oh and btw, if ISIS carried out the bombing, people would still have symptoms of the attack. The question is who carried out the attack so please stop quoting your nonexistent MSF friends because it's boring.

SuperBeagle · 15/04/2017 05:53

this is going to be iraq all over again

The Syrian situation has been going on for years.

And it's unlikely that ISIS has the ability to be able to carry out such an attack. This is, you know, the same organisation that encourages its followers to run people down with trucks. I think if they had more sophisticated methods, they would've employed them by now.

intheknickersoftime · 15/04/2017 05:59

The more i read about this the more i agree. There is a journalist called Eva Bartlett who writes extensively about Syria and has been many times. She agrees we are being kept very much in the dark about what is going on in Syria.

Jenijena · 15/04/2017 06:34

I am not a natural conspiracy theorist. But there is an Anglican priest near me (Rev Andrew Ashdown - yes, you can follow him on fb) who frequently visits Syria and paints a very different picture based on his visits. There is no question that there is an awful lot of violence being perpetrated on innocent civilians, but what he is questioning is the msm view on it.

I don't know what to believe, but if you're interested, follow him on fb and see his reports and pictures from people there on the ground.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 15/04/2017 07:34

commiserations for everyone dealing with tiny

Nice.

You think asking to see evidence for the claims that sarin attacks have been falsified is bad?

You think dismissing the words of Syrian people, msf, stc, journalists, opcw and human rights watch is so clever? (Why the hell are you calling them my non existant friends btw, weird?!)

Oh and Where have I ever said trump was right to bomb Syria? Is that something else you're making up? 'Convenient' eh.

You know you can disagree with Trump's actions and still accept Assad gassed his people again?

"Engage your brains."

Misstic · 15/04/2017 08:46

Superbeagle, did you say the rebels do not have the capability. I question your and histiny's memory and awareness of international politics and events. Cast your mind back to 2013 and what the UN had to say ad things developed and became clearer. For as much as Assad was suspected of using chlorine gas, the rebels were also said by the UN to have carried out mustard and sarin gas.

I want to post some links but can't seem to.

busbymyhouse · 15/04/2017 08:52

OP YANBU.

None of us know really what happened and none of us probably ever will.

One irefutable fact is that the US and UK have meddled and keep meddling in the ME and Africa to serve our own interests and in the process kill human beings, destroy local infrastructure and culture. We are not the good ones here.

Misstic · 15/04/2017 09:08

Syrian government stockpiles were destroyed (of course they could have hidden some away from UN inspectors).

Rebels still have the capabilities and have form for using chemical weapons in the past.

We know the US over egged the UN findings in 2013 and much of the world media conveniently forgot to shout as loudly about Syrian rebels being responsible for mustard and sarin gas attacks.

Fast forward to 2017, at the recent meeting it was clear that nobody knows who carried out that latest attack. The question remains as to why would Assad carry out this attack? It makes no sense. The alternative explanation is very plausible. The UN itself claims that the rebel has such chemical weapons so the possibility of a Syrian rocket hitting a warehouse where they are stored is real.

So in the end, no one knows but the perpetrators at the moment. In time, once neutral investigators do their jobs, we will know more.

Relying in the words of the US is folly.

mugglebumthesecond · 15/04/2017 09:14

Not exactly.

I agree it's not transparent and we are being deceived.

I think Trump and Putin are in kahoots. They are going to join up to take out North Korea together and they are faking animosity.

God I wish I knew. I'm sure that Russia helped Trump win the election, 100per cenyT.

scaryteacher · 15/04/2017 09:39

Counterpoint The NATO encroachment? Those countries who apply for NATO accession have made a decision to do so. As they are no longer behind the Iron Curtain, and have the right to determine their own futures, as Montenegro is currently doing, then it is not down to Russia to veto their NATO membership as Russia is not a member.

findingmyfeet12 · 15/04/2017 10:18

If people are saying that previous gas attacks by Syria contribute towards evidence that Assad carried out this one, then surely the fact that we've been lied to by our leaders and media in the past could be seen as "evidence" that the op might have a point.

I don't doubt that the attacks took place but I do think it's naive in the extreme to take the word of any leader as gospel. Everyone has an agenda.

KellysZeros · 15/04/2017 10:39

Frightening but eye opening to see how many are influenced by Putin's propaganda. Good work Histy

Misstic · 15/04/2017 10:49

Equally frightening to see how so many are influenced by US propaganda and (despite revelations in the past) are unquestioning in the dubious information they are fed.

I guess the US and the West in general have never fed us propaganda and have always been above board with the following information they dissemination. Putin lies and pushes out propaganda. The US always tells the truth and are not nor have ever been guilty of propaganda.

Misstic · 15/04/2017 10:50

Don't know how the word following got in there.

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