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To not change my stance even in the face of my mother threatening suicide?

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SABaby · 12/04/2017 06:01

Several months ago, I cut my mother out my family’s life due to the repulsive comments she made to my daughters regarding their appearance. My kids are half black/half white (14 and 11). DD1 has olive skin and DD2 has light caramel skin. The last time their grandmother saw them, she told my babies that it’s a shame DD2 doesn’t have her older sister’s lighter skin tone. And that DD2 would be so much prettier if she had her sister’s olive skin tone. This greatly upset both my children.

When I found out, the rage that consumed me was overwhelming. I had it out with my mother and told her that I never want her anywhere near my kids and my husband again. Over the last few months, my mum has been bombarding family members, telling them about my “cruelty.” Last week I received a letter from her – it stated that without the joy of her grandkids, she sees no point in living anymore.

Now, this isn’t the first time my mother has threatened to kill herself. She’s never done it directly to me, but a few times to my dad. I remember when I was a little girl, she once took a knife and pointed it to her stomach – she told my dad she would stab herself if he went out for a drink with his colleagues that night (I kid you not). She’s always been the melodramatic and manipulative type.

When I got the letter, I called my mother and we spoke on the phone. I told her I can see her, but my children just can’t be around her. I don’t want them recalling what happened. When I told her the kids are still off-limits for her, she reiterated her suicidal threats. Then she started shouting at me – saying how unfair and cruel I was being.
She hurt my daughters tremendously, and that’s something that I not only find hard to understand, but to forgive. And it’s something I’m not willing to risk for a second time.

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aginghippy · 12/04/2017 11:09

WooWoo - Why is it a burden on dd? She has said she doesn't want to see her gm.

To me, the nc decision is not about this one comment, but about a pattern of behaviour, including the racist insult and the manipulative suicide threat.

Dawndonnaagain · 12/04/2017 11:15

My mother is 81. She's been threatening this sort of nonsense for years. I went NC years ago after she was awful to my daughters. She makes a lot of yapping noises. I ignore.

SABaby · 12/04/2017 11:42

shovetheholly

Thanks for such a comprehensive and accurate post.

WooWoo

If my mother doesn't grasp the gravity of her words and acts indignant about it, and she insists on manipulating me into succumbing, I just don't know how to move forward. And as another poster mentioned - from the day it happened, DD2 and DD1 said they don't want to see her. Even before I said anything about NC.

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springflowers11 · 12/04/2017 11:43

Since the day the incident occurred, until now, they have told me they don't want to see their mother. Not right now. Am I supposed to completely disregard that request and force them into it?

Can't you see they are taking their lead from you?Blowing this silly mistake into a huge issue.You weren't even there so can't fully know the context it was made in.
Your DM has apologised to you. She thinks is was a mistake to say it and she is sorry that she upset you and your DC .But she cannot see it as the big deal you do.
You can't dictate other people's thoughts and feelings! What she feels about the incident, is what she feels.Everybody has an absolute right to their feelings and you need to grow up and recognise that!

hackmum · 12/04/2017 11:49

It's not a "silly mistake". It's an absolutely vile thing to say. It would be vile even without the racial context to say that one sibling was prettier than the other, but the racial context makes it especially nasty.

The OP's mum sounds like she has a history of extremely narcissistic and manipulative behaviour. I'd stay well away from her - she's nothing but trouble.

Birdandsparrow · 12/04/2017 11:49

springflowers you are overegging the grandmother's apology massively. Has she even said sorry? Or has she said "I don't know what the fuss is about, you're too PC, if you don't let me off the hook I'll kill myself"?
Everyone has the right to their feelings and the OP and her daughter's have the right to be upset and hurt and not want to speak to the grandmother. Why do the OP and her daughter's have to cave to emotional manipulation?

Batgirlspants · 12/04/2017 11:49

I agree with Spring op

Personally I would give her another chance and see how things go. Look at it this way will your dds feel to blame that their mum and her mum no longer speak? If she doesn't shut up going forward then that's another decision to make but don't make your non contact be this one off remark about her granddaughters.

Anyway that's my view but you seem secure in your choice so that's your view.

EmilyByTheRiver · 12/04/2017 11:50

But the DDs were there.The comment was made to them. And they say they do not want to see their grandmother again.

I'd believe what they say, to be honest.

My DMwas brought up in an abusive household, and she would throw me uner the bus in order to keep her manipulative abusive bitch ofa mother happy. I've never forgiven her for putting me in that situation. She was the parent. She should have protected me.

The OP is trying to protect her children from someone who when she is called on her behaviour, threatens suicide. It's appalling.

Birdandsparrow · 12/04/2017 11:51

If my mother doesn't grasp the gravity of her words and acts indignant about it, and she insists on manipulating me into succumbing, I just don't know how to move forward This, with bells on. There comes a point with someone like this that you just can't do it any more. Because everyone she treats you badly you are brow beaten into succumbing and pretending it was all fine "a silly mistake" or your own fault. And in the end you need a break from the emotional manipulation and dysfunction.

Birdandsparrow · 12/04/2017 11:54

The OP is trying to protect her children from someone who when she is called on her behaviour, threatens suicide. It's appalling.

And the DDs themselves have said they don't want to see her. The woman isn't even apologising. You can bet it's not the first time or a "silly mistake" I'm sure the grandmother has had plenty of chances before.

SABaby · 12/04/2017 11:55

springflowers The hypocrisy and ignorance in your words is truly astounding. Really, truly incredible. You say "everyone has a right to their feelings" and that "you can't dictate other people's thoughts and feelings," and yet, you do the exact same thing regarding your disregarding the hurt this caused to my daughters.

To you and my mother, if something hurts someone else but you don't understand it, then it's nothing but a mountain out of mole hills. The mixed race posters who have posted here, saying that racially-oriented comments by family members affected them, simply don't matter to you, because it's something your perception simply doesn't grasp. To you, these people (who are now adults but they still think about those comments by family members today) are in essence, "silly" and are making "a big deal out of nothing."

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0dfod · 12/04/2017 11:57

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SABaby · 12/04/2017 12:06

Sparrow - Everyone has the right to their feelings and the OP and her daughter's have the right to be upset and hurt and not want to speak to the grandmother. Why do the OP and her daughter's have to cave to emotional manipulation?

Honestly, Sparrow, the irony in Springflower's post is actually jaw-dropping. She says everyone has a right to their feelings and you can't dictate someone's thoughts, but in her mind, this logic is only applied to my mother. Everyone else doesn't have their own feelings and thoughts - nah. Everyone else should just dance to grandma's tune, emotional consequences be damned.

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SABaby · 12/04/2017 12:11

batgirlpants - I can give her another chance via a phone-call with just me - and talk, just the two of us. Try to see where we go from there (although my hopes are low). But a chance as in being around my daughters? No. She hasn't earned that, not with how the last phone-call went. Not with how my kids still feel about her.

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SABaby · 12/04/2017 12:12

Emily Thanks for sharing your own personal experience.

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Rossigigi · 12/04/2017 12:14

My mother is also like this- complete with 'I'll Throw myself in the pond and you can have it on your conscious for life'
I've been nc since last August andofe has been so much peaceful.....

YogaDrone · 12/04/2017 12:22

I wouldn't want my children around someone so emotionally unstable that she threatens suicide if she can't see them irrespective of any other hurt she has caused. It's attempted emotional blackmail on a spectacular level.

deckoff · 12/04/2017 12:33

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springflowers11 · 12/04/2017 12:35

there you go again Op with your dramatic over-reactions and putting words into my mouth.The apple clearly doesn't fall far from the tree
Where have I said your and your daughters' feelings don;'t matter and you have to suck it up

I have said that it is possible to be genuinely sorry for hurting someone's feeling, without really grasping why they are so hurt.Can you not get that?

LoupGarou · 12/04/2017 12:36

Completely agree with birdandsparrow OP I don't think YABU at all.

Also remember you are showing them that it is ok to just not bother about your own Mother. I hope for your sake you don't offend either of your daughters in years to come. The lesson you have given them may mean they will think it is just fine to abandon you too

I disagree, I think the OP is showing her daughters that you don't have to put up with within that insidious sort of abuse just because someone is family. That you can speak out about it and take action, that no abuse should ever have to be ignored or brushed under the carpet.

The "well I hope you never make any mistakes or your DC might go nc with you" is always trotted out on these threads. Bullshit. It won't happen to you because you aren't abusive, narcissistic or manipulative.
Most of us teach our DC that if you make a mistake or do something wrong or hurtful, you apologise sincerely and try to make amends regardless of whether it was unintentional. Why aren't adult family members expected to act with the same decency?

I also think the suicide threats are a huge red flag, anyone who tries to use that to try to emotionally manipulate their daughter into getting their own way is not a person I would want around my DC. It isn't even like its something she's tried once out of desperation, the OP says she's done it before to the OP's father.

LoupGarou · 12/04/2017 12:37

No. The hardest thing is growing up with abusive parents like these. Snide comments like those give me the absolute rage.

^^ This in spades.

Birdandsparrow · 12/04/2017 12:40

Springflowers what makes you think the OP's mother is geniunely sorry? Sorry she's been pulled up, but actually sorry she's upset her grandchildren? Shouting down the phone and threatening to kill herself if she doesn't get her own way? How does that display remorse?

Birdandsparrow · 12/04/2017 12:42

The "well I hope you never make any mistakes or your DC might go nc with you" is always trotted out on these threads. Bullshit. It won't happen to you because you aren't abusive, narcissistic or manipulative

Exactly, and it displays a total lack of understanding of what it's like to have an emotionally manipulative parent and grow up with someone who uses suicide threats to get their own way. And it shows a huge lack of empathy imo.

StarUtopia · 12/04/2017 12:45

My MIL did this (different situation but still the same..essentially a toddler blackmail tantrum)

I think it's disgusting that you would even threaten something like this just to get your own way.

Stand firm! I'd be telling her she's being bloody ridiculous and only has herself to blame.

SABaby · 12/04/2017 12:48

Springflowers

""I have said that it is possible to be genuinely sorry for hurting someone's feeling, without really grasping why they are so hurt.""

Except, she's shown zero indication of truly being remorseful and sorry about what she said. Instead, her one-time apology resembled a stubborn teenager being forced to say sorry by the school principal. When I said that the children were still hurt over what happened, she started shouting at me. Does that sound like someone who is genuinely sorry?

""Where have I said your and your daughters' feelings don;'t matter and you have to suck it up?""

Um, you pretty much indirectly said that when you wrote ""you made a silly mistake into a huge issue."" There you go - trivialising the words and their effect. To you, what my mother said is nothing but a ""silly mistake."" Nothing to worry about.

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