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To not change my stance even in the face of my mother threatening suicide?

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SABaby · 12/04/2017 06:01

Several months ago, I cut my mother out my family’s life due to the repulsive comments she made to my daughters regarding their appearance. My kids are half black/half white (14 and 11). DD1 has olive skin and DD2 has light caramel skin. The last time their grandmother saw them, she told my babies that it’s a shame DD2 doesn’t have her older sister’s lighter skin tone. And that DD2 would be so much prettier if she had her sister’s olive skin tone. This greatly upset both my children.

When I found out, the rage that consumed me was overwhelming. I had it out with my mother and told her that I never want her anywhere near my kids and my husband again. Over the last few months, my mum has been bombarding family members, telling them about my “cruelty.” Last week I received a letter from her – it stated that without the joy of her grandkids, she sees no point in living anymore.

Now, this isn’t the first time my mother has threatened to kill herself. She’s never done it directly to me, but a few times to my dad. I remember when I was a little girl, she once took a knife and pointed it to her stomach – she told my dad she would stab herself if he went out for a drink with his colleagues that night (I kid you not). She’s always been the melodramatic and manipulative type.

When I got the letter, I called my mother and we spoke on the phone. I told her I can see her, but my children just can’t be around her. I don’t want them recalling what happened. When I told her the kids are still off-limits for her, she reiterated her suicidal threats. Then she started shouting at me – saying how unfair and cruel I was being.
She hurt my daughters tremendously, and that’s something that I not only find hard to understand, but to forgive. And it’s something I’m not willing to risk for a second time.

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greeeen · 12/04/2017 10:11

I think you have done the right thing, if they decide to give her another chance in the future that's their choice and you can support them either way. I believe that forcing them to see her will send the message that what she said was in some way acceptable.

WooWooSister · 12/04/2017 10:11

No-one is saying you should 'force' your DDs into seeing their GM just now. You're creating a straw man argument. There is a massive difference between giving them space just now and creating a family rift and going NC.
You have to remember too that your DDs are taking their lead in how to react to this, from you.
Whether or not your DM is a narcissist or whether you have a toxic relationship or not, or whether she will commit suicide is all separate from how you teach your DDs to respond to racist comments, and whether you let them feel that their skin colour has caused a family rift. That's where I feel you are being disingenuous. Your DM's suicide threat and your toxic relationship with her predate this incident with your DD. You shouldn't let your DD feel that this is her fault or is about her and her GM's comment.
Choosing to go NC as an adult is an adult decision. Stop making your DDs carry that burden for you.

greeeen · 12/04/2017 10:15

If she really wants to rebuild a relationship with them she could write them a letter explaining why she was so wrong and how sorry she is. That way she gets a chance without them having to be around her, might be worth a try? I would read the letter first to check she is not just minimising what she said.

Huskylover1 · 12/04/2017 10:19

Also remember you are showing them that it is ok to just not bother about your own Mother. I hope for your sake you don't offend either of your daughters in years to come. The lesson you have given them may mean they will think it is just fine to abandon you too

That's exactly what I was thinking ^^

Let's hope for your sake Op, that you never, ever, ever make a parenting mistake, as your daughters have seen first hand now, how it's perfectly normal to cut out your own mother.

You'll be a better mother than anyone I know, if you can navigate the next 50 years not ever saying the wrong thing.

You should have brushed off the comment as a silly comment made, from someone of another generation, and emphasised that the world doesn't think like that any more. But it sounds as though you disected the comment to death, going over and over and over it. Thus, making it a much bigger deal.

My parents and my DH's Dad are all in their 70's, and it would make your toes curl to hear some of the stuff they spout. It's almost like old age has made them lose their "filter". You have to take it for what it is.

I really hope that you haven't revealed the contents of the letter (suicide threat) to your daughters. (Although I have a feeling that you will have). Because, should your Mum follow through on that threat, guess who is going to carry that burden for the rest of their lives? Your daughters, that's who. And since when do an 11yr old and 14yr old get to make such monumental decisions? YOU are the grown up.

SABaby · 12/04/2017 10:26

Husky - No, I did not show the contents of the letter to my children. They don't even know it exists. And regarding the things your parents say - if you're fine being around that, then go ahead. Each to their own. You probably think it was a mistake to cut off uncles who describe my husband as a "dog" if he worked for them, right?

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Thinkingblonde · 12/04/2017 10:28

I hope I've got this right. Your DH isn't the father of both girls?
If this is the case then I think your mothers comments are actually worse in that context.
We have a mixed race child in our family, his father is black, mother white, his mother has an older daughter from her first marriage who has a white father. We don't see the colour of their skin, we see two gorgeous people who are a joy to have around.

SABaby · 12/04/2017 10:32

green - Yes, one thing I didn't want my kids normalising is comments like that coming from family members. I realise that in the bigger world, they can't escape it, but it's different when it is coming from family. There's a big mixed race community in Cape Town and I'm friends with a lot of mixed folks. Some grew up in families where comments regarding skin tone or facial appearance along racial lines, were always brought up by family members. No one did or said anything about. It had a big effect on them growing up (as other mixed folks here have attested). With some, it still has a big effect today.

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SABaby · 12/04/2017 10:33

Blonde - Yes, my DH is the father of both girls.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 12/04/2017 10:34

spring, batgirl and husky

Why should people have to put up with arseholes?

All this "be the better person", "its family", "blood is thicker than water", "you only get one mother", forgive and forget and "its just how they are", is frankly bullshit.

If the people that made these comments (over and over again) actually cared for the people that they made them about, they wouldn't be making the comment in the first place.

I'm all for second chances and being nice to each other, but its a two way street and no body should have to put up with arseholes.

Batgirlspants · 12/04/2017 10:42

If you think you were being totally reasonable why ask for other opinions.

Birdandsparrow · 12/04/2017 10:43

Let's hope for your sake Op, that you never, ever, ever make a parenting mistake, as your daughters have seen first hand now, how it's perfectly normal to cut out your own mother.

You'll be a better mother than anyone I know, if you can navigate the next 50 years not ever saying the wrong thing.

You see, this is where you just don't basically understand the dynamics of a dysfunctional family. It's not one incident. It's not "saying the wrong thing" and then realising you've overstepped/upset someone and doing all you can to make amends. It's being really rude and then when you are told it was really upsetting, throwing a massive fucking tantrum and threatening to kill yourself rather than admit you were a twat and say sorry. Making it all about yourself and emotionally blackmailing people to let you off taking any blame. THAT'S what people get a belly full of with relatives like this and that's why they end up not talking to them.

SABaby · 12/04/2017 10:44

Jefferson When we spoke on the phone, the conversation actually started out well. But then it turned sour when I mentioned how hurt the children still were. She played it down to kids being kids - and when I told her she doesn't fully understand the implications of what she said, that's when she started shouting at me. I cut the line after a little while.

One of the things that irks me the most is that she doesn't seem remorseful - or if not remorseful, she doesn't understand how deeply offensive and damaging her words were.

It would be so much easier to reconcile if she could actually own up to the magnitude of her words. Something she seems utterly incapable of doing.

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Birdandsparrow · 12/04/2017 10:46

If you think you were being totally reasonable why ask for other opinions because of everyone always trotting out the "oh but she's your mum, you've only got one mum" bullshit unless your mum is so awful she has been physically or sexually absuing you. That your mum is a self-centred, manipulative, drama llama who always emotionally blackmails you into getting her own way doesn't matter. She should get a free pass because she's your mother. That's why people doubt themselves.

Birdandsparrow · 12/04/2017 10:48

she doesn't understand how deeply offensive and damaging her words were
people like this always minimise. if it were a "normal" person they would be gutted they'd really upset their grandchildren (even if secretly not understanding what the fuss was about) and would apologise, would feel awful. Selfish, manipulative people go straight on the defensive and get angry and when that doesn't work do the suicide threat.

Werkzallhourz · 12/04/2017 10:48

I second Bambam's comments. The threats of suicide etc are the more troubling aspect. It's manipulative behaviour that is emotionally abusive, and I'd be very wary about putting my kids in that environment. It can be extremely damaging.

Colourism, unfortunately, is something you cannot protect your daughters from. It will pop up everywhere on their lives, from all manner of different sources, most of which you, as their mother, will not be able to control. The best bet here is to innoculate them the best you can and give them the tools that enable them to disregard such comments as asinine.

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/04/2017 10:53

SABaby

This is what she will continue to do, it is never going to be her fault.

Its the internal battle of who you want her to be against who she actually is.

Only you can make the decision as to whether "nice helpful" mother out weights "nasty spiteful" mother.

The question that I ask myself is "would I put up with this from a friend, work colleague or someone in the street?"

Why should family be held to a lower level behaviour than others, after all these are the people that you are supposed to be closest to and should be supporting you, not making nasty comments and having hissy fits when they don't get there own way.

SABaby · 12/04/2017 10:55

sparrow You know, I was thinking about that just the other day. That even if you didn't understand why the children would be so upset, you would still be mortified and do your best to make it right - instead of just giving an indignant, teenage-like "sorry."

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Batgirlspants · 12/04/2017 10:55

birdAnd

Yes agree the mother sounds stupid and is minimising her behaviour but also think the op isn't helping her dds with her handling of this situation.

It's the dds that matter.

Chloe84 · 12/04/2017 10:56

Husky

You have to take it for what it is.

No, you don't, especially not when it affects two young girls and their confidence in themselves and their mental wellbeing.

My parents and my DH's Dad are all in their 70's, and it would make your toes curl to hear some of the stuff they spout.

Is it directed to you, your DH or your children?

SABaby · 12/04/2017 11:01

Jefferson - Your last paragraph hit the nail on the head for me and the outlook my girls have on the situation. I mentioned before that my daughters have had comments in similar vain from people at school. But it's never bothered them - they had the mentality that these people are outsiders I don't give a damn about. But coming from within? Their grandmother no less? No, that was something else.

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aginghippy · 12/04/2017 11:02

Racism is pervasive and very harmful to mixed race people. It's not a thing of the past.

But even if you take the colour aspect out of it, you have a grandmother who directly tells her gc that she is not good looking and that her older sister is prettier. That in itself is really wrong and dysfunctional.

WooWooSister · 12/04/2017 11:02

you would still be mortified and do your best to make it right
What would you like your DM to do to 'make it right'?
I think you have to acknowledge that actually she can't make it right for you.
But then I also think you should acknowledge that going NC for lots of reasons but making it ostensibly about this one comment is putting an unfair burden on your DD.

greeeen · 12/04/2017 11:04

SABaby I completely agree and do not think age is any excuse for being a racist/homophobe etc. It is doubtful she will "own up" to anything as unfortunately she probably thinks that what she said is not that bad. Especially if she has people in her life who also excuse her ignorant and hurtful comments due to age. The fact that she is threatening suicide instead of asking how she can make the situation better on your daughters terms further shows that she cares more for her own wants than her DGD.

shovetheholly · 12/04/2017 11:05

I think many people are coming to this with a very British sense of some kind of barrier between domestic/family life and decisions and public/political life. (Incidentally, I think this is largely a fiction even in Britain, but it's a pervasive one). However, what you're talking about is a situation where those two things bleed into each other, to the point that they are inseparable. The decision to have an interracial marriage in S Africa is both a deeply personal and a deeply political one, and it comes freighted with worlds of historical meaning and both historical and present pain. Your mother's words, in this context, aren't some isolated, slightly ignorant attack - they position you on different sides of a massive chasm in society, so they're inevitably connected out in all kinds of ways to that wider context. However you react is both a public kind of action, and a private one as a result - I can see why you are struggling, because what you choose sends a message to your DDs about themselves and the world they live in.

Birdandsparrow · 12/04/2017 11:06

I think you have to acknowledge that actually she can't make it right for you.

but she's not even trying. Can't you see the difference?

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