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AIBU to be terrified of WW3 killing us all in the UK soon?

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streetface · 07/04/2017 12:35

AIBU to be frightened that WW3 is about to happen and my children will be obliterated by a nuclear weapon here in the UK?

Or is that unlikely? I'm hoping someone with a bit more understanding of the situation can explain. All I know is the situation has escalated now Trump has bombed Assad's regime and Russia is mighty pissed off. If the West comes under attack I'm guessing the UK will be nuked?
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FerdinandsRevenge · 07/04/2017 13:47

Are you ok mentally?

Hmm

A decent percentage of the world is either at war, impoverished or suffering actual famine. Not too long ago, historically speaking, the land we're standing on was getting blasted to bits in during a rather big war.

It's a bit naive to assume it's going to be gin and bun fights forever.

FerdinandsRevenge · 07/04/2017 13:48

The weather is lovely. I went out without a jacket today.

user1484615313 · 07/04/2017 13:48

Unborn- laughed so loud with that. Grin

BlueBlueElectricBlue · 07/04/2017 13:49

Adam Khan's Twitter feed may offer some comfort:

twitter.com/Khanoisseur

'Oil prices jump on Syria strike, making Putin, Kochs, Tillerson's Exxon happy; Pentagon's suppliers get to re-stock $100,000,000 in missiles'

He's been looking into to Trump/Russia connections for months and his opinion seems to be that this is a lot of posturing to shore up Trump's anti-Russia credentials, with the happy by-product of a jump in oil prices to help stablise Russian economy and keep Trump's oil business supporters and the defence industry happy.

My solace is cynicism. While Trump is clearly a madman, he's also a selfish one who likes money, power and fame. Putin also seems to rather like Putin and his money. All those things would be imperiled by nuclear holocaust. Neither of them have 'a cause', they are pretty self-serving.

Suspect scarier people are those who are on any sort of moral crusade.

Does that help at all?

scaryteacher · 07/04/2017 13:50

WW3 on the other hand feels rather likely right now. No, it doesn't at all. The US has fired Tomahawks at an airbase in Syria. We fired Tomahawks, along with the US, at Kosovo, and WW3 didn't break out then.

Russia has been put on warning here, as has Assad, that Trump will act, unlike Obama, so they may start to rethink their strategy.

TrippyMcTrapFace · 07/04/2017 13:51

YY Spartacus and Shoes.

BlueBlueElectricBlue · 07/04/2017 13:52

BTW, hope I don't need to say that I think political posturing that results in military action that costs human lives is vile and abhorrent. I sounded pretty clinical in my last post, which I didn't mean to do. It's all hideous and tragic.

rosethyme · 07/04/2017 13:54

Looks like his friendship with Putin is over. Knew it wouldn't last long.

Mulledwine1 · 07/04/2017 13:54

Who do you think is going to nuke us? Russia won't. Putin isn't that much of an idiot.

I'd be far more worried about a nuclear weapon falling into the hands of ISIS or similar. Then you might as well kiss your proverbial goodbye.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 07/04/2017 13:55

And Trump is such a hypocrite. Banning Syrians from entering US, but then pretend to be fighting for their cause.

The world is so so fucked up at the momrnt😰

Mulledwine1 · 07/04/2017 13:55

Oh - and for a view of the 80s - watch Deutschland 83. According to that we came very close to nuclear war and only a defecting East German spy saved us!

UnbornMortificado · 07/04/2017 13:56

Are you ok mentally?*
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For fucks sake. It wasn't meant nastily, I work in MH and have plenty history myself.

Worrying about War and National Disaster can be a massive indicator. It's linked to panic disorder.

Street if that came across badly it wasn't meant too.

WorshipTheGourd · 07/04/2017 13:58

I dont think concern about the current world / UK circs is unreasonable.
I became politically aware in the 1980's and I have not felt so concerned since that time either...

Mulledwine1 · 07/04/2017 13:59

The Canadian PM has just released a statement on the air strikes: t.co/cwoVJrJe7P

Supporting them. Well I guess he wouldn't say anything else, being next door to the US, but he could have said nothing at all.

FerdinandsRevenge · 07/04/2017 14:04

unborn it's totally not indicative of a mental health crisis to worry about war when it's everywhere and the media are telling people it's a possibility. And as a MH professional, I'd expect you to be a bit more tactful than "are you alright mentally?" Hmm

UnbornMortificado · 07/04/2017 14:06

Worship that's a fair point it's just usually worth an ask.

If any worry about something out of our control starts taking over our lives it's usually worth speaking to someone about it.

I've gone through it, it can get debilitating pretty quickly.

OfaFrenchmind2 · 07/04/2017 14:08

OP, you could always move away from any principal city, military base and power plant. And start prepping. :)

Lynnm63 · 07/04/2017 14:09

I live in Lincolnshire surrounded by airbases. I guess I'd hope in the first wave of bombing. I may hold fire on my diet I'd be mighty pissed off if I'd spent my last months denying myself chocolate cake.

rosethyme · 07/04/2017 14:09

Worrying about War and National Disaster can be a massive indicator. It's linked to panic disorder.
Yes but thats not quite the same as worrying about the consequences of a current event.

Lynnm63 · 07/04/2017 14:10

Go not hope, however I'd probably hope to be taken out early rather than die from Radiation poisoning.

Tobolsk · 07/04/2017 14:14

monkeyfacegrace

You probably wouldn't, however people survived Hiroshima 260m from impact. So it's not a guarantee

UnbornMortificado · 07/04/2017 14:14

People with GAD often worry excessively about:

	Catastrophes, such as earthquakes or war

Ferd Hmm yourself, report me if it bothers you that much.

GinAndTunic · 07/04/2017 14:16

YABVU as well as alarmist for no reason at all.

noeffingidea · 07/04/2017 14:16

There's no point really. If 'WW3' does occur then the lucky ones will die first.
Thats just the way it is, life is mostly shit. We are lucky that life has been relatively good in the UK for the last 70 years but there are no guarantees that it will last.
I often think about Jewish people in Nazi controlled Europe, how they were just getting on with their lives and one day it was all over for them. British people aren't special, we don't deserve special treatment and it can all turn to shit really quickly.

Werkzallhourz · 07/04/2017 14:17

WWIII would have to include actors who were willing to expand the theatre to the fringes of Western Europe. That's pretty difficult; it's a lot of terrain, and there's a lot of terrain in-between.

For us to be pulled in "full metal jacket" style, we would probably have to see some sort of Russian non-aggression treaty with China and then Russian/Chinese/Iranian attacks on British bases in Cyprus, including the Troodos communications facility (you take that out and you take out monitoring of all middle-eastern communications by Britain and the US). And that would leave an unholy mess in its wake, considering that Cypriots are largely pro-Russian. But that would be the most likely form of an attack on Britain in the first instance.

What is more likely in Britain in such a scenario is for certain foreign states to agitate a kind of constant low level conflict through proxy agents to disturb British civil society on the ground in their favour.

So you would not be bombed by a nuclear weapon, but you might very well see an uptick in "terrorist" incidents with their funding roots in the Gulf, sudden financial "shocks" caused by other foreign actors playing silly beggars with international finance and sterling trades, the sudden mothballing of works and manufacturers funded by Russian and Chinese finance, street assassinations of certain political individuals, a few contamination scenarios (Litvinenko style), significant cyber attacks that arrest the banking system ... you get the picture.

The other thing that makes us vulnerable is the security of the gas supply. I'm not sure of the current status, but at one point, about ten to fifteen years ago, Russia was supplying the gas for a number of significant locations in Britain. I seem to remember the list included NHS hospitals and, bizarrely enough, York Minster. I hope the situation is different now, as otherwise Russia could just refuse to supply and create chaos. If it does, we've got a significant problem, though the ensuing turbulence in the market would possibly make Scotland very rich.

I do think that there are deep state actors in the US that are sabre-rattling for war against Russia, and it makes me rather nervous because I think there are certain "deep state" figures with a lot of persuasive political power in the US that are completely batshit insane. The US has been a loose cannon for decades in terms of foreign policy, no matter who has been POTUS. Considering that some POTUSes have been distinctly non-interventionist individuals in the first instance (Clinton, Obama, Trump ... yes, Trump), one wonders what the hell is actually going on once these people enter the White House.

Mind you, I'd say the same about the British Foreign Office. It seems to turn Foreign Minsters into absolute loons.

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