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To think that Britain should take a tougher line on certain children's names?

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floraeasy · 31/03/2017 21:08

I name this baby... Superman. And another one... Gazza.

Oh, and let’s call this little mite... Gandalf.

And why not throw in Arsenal for good measure!

All the above are British children’s real first names – and they have all been given official blessing by our liberal authorities.

In Britain, all names, however ridiculous, are up for grabs. Hence celebrities can bestow their children with the likes of Apple, Harper Seven, Zowie and Fifi Trixibelle.

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The General Register Office says there are no restrictions on parents - except for exceptional cases, such as a name which could be deemed offensive, when an official could refuse to register it.

But such unusual names could blight a child’s future, according to Professor Helen Petrie, from the University of York, who has studied the psychological effects of having an unusual name.

“I found that people with unusual names had a really hard time, particularly when they were children,” she said.

They described getting teased and how traumatic it could be - because all children want to fit in. But when they became adults, they are often glad that they have something to help them stand out from the crowd.

“People with very common names sometimes feel that they aren’t unique enough. So I think there’s a happy medium to be struck.”

So isn’t it time we took a leaf out of baby naming books from other countries and make such monikers illegal?

Here are some of the worst offenders that have been officially banned in their own countries, but that any Tombola, Dickdastardly or Haribo could call their babies in Britain.

• Lucifer, V8, Christ and Messiah are among the baby names rejected by New Zealand’s department of internal affairs. Disappointed parents wishing to christen their offspring with numbers (89), letters (J, I, T) and punctuation marks (*) were also given short shrift.

• Fish and Chips (twins), Yeah Detroit, Keenan Got Lucy and Sex Fruit also got the kybosh, though the New Zealand judges did allow Number 16 Bus Shelter and Violence.

• But the top of the NZ banned list must surely be Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii.

• In Sweden, there is a law preventing parents from naming their children Metallica and Elvis. But in a parental fightback, a couple attempted to name their child Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116. Yes, it’s spelled correctly. We’ve double-checked! And apparently, it’s pronounced “Albin”, though we’re not sure how.

• In Italy, judges prevented a couple calling their kid Venerdi aka Friday. They reckoned the name - taken from Robinson Crusoe - would expose the boy to “mockery”.

• Over in Norway, a woman was thrown in jail for two days for giving her child the unapproved name Gesher aka Bridge.

• On the other side of the world, the Malaysian government banned the name Chow Tow. It sounds harmless enough, until you realise the translation is Smelly Head!

• But in China, a family wanted to keep their baby’s name short and sweet, by simply calling it @. Perfect for Twitter, we’d have thought.

• In Germany, the names Stompie, Woodstock and Grammophon have been turned down, whereas the similarly strange Speedy, Lafayette and Jazz were allowed.

• In New Zealand, a whopping 77 names have been banned. They include Lucifer, Mafia No Fear, 4Real, 2nd, 3rd or 5th and ‘.’ (or full stop!).

• But surely top of the pile (excuse the pun) of banned baby names is this from Denmark: Anus. Apparently, the judges thought the baby’s parents were trying to make an a**e of their offpring!

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/08/banned-the-world-s-most-ridiculous-baby-names_n_7379492.html

OP posts:
Linnet · 02/04/2017 22:41

The story i was always told was that Pocahontas McGinty was born in Dundee. But, according to Scotland's people, which is the Scottish registrars website, there have been no children registered with the name Pocahontas in Scotland between 1855 (when statutory records began) and 2016. Although she may have been born in England then moved to Scotland...

JFT96 · 02/04/2017 22:42

People need saving from their own (and their parents') terrible taste and lack of education...

That's true in many cases but also for the middle and upper middle classes. Some of their popular names are just as hilarious

Madwomans · 02/04/2017 22:43

No, they don't in general, maddie, but the children of those parents are not necessarily limited by their parents' education, poverty and/or social class. I have one of the type of names you're talking about, with the added black mark of a well-known Irish traveller surname, and neither of my parents was literate, but I have two Oxford postgraduate degrees and work in a professional field populated largely by the middle classes. Names aren't destiny.

TinfoilHattie · 02/04/2017 22:43

Think what you like, it's true (sadly). I never said I agreed with it, but it is. Money/wealthy/highly educated families do not call their kids "Maysee Joye".

Of course it's true. We are in a very solidly middle class area, most of the parents of kids at school are educated professionals. Kids in my children's classes are called things like Olivia, Katie, Elizabeth, Julia, Hannah, Sarah, Ella, Anna, Sophie or Isla for the girls and Calum, Cameron, Joshua, Kieran, Michael, Fraser, Blair, Euan or Daniel for the boys. (Skewed a bit as we are in Scotland so more Scottish names).

Over the years at school the weirdest names we've come across were Coco, Keegan, Keith and Gary. And Keith and Gary only because they're not terribly popular these days.

There are no Lexii-Rose or Nevaeh or T-Jay or butchered spellings of normal names like Sigh-Mohnne instead of Simon. If you went to a depirved area where parents on the whole are younger, less educated and not working in professional occupations, you'd not be able to move for Jamie-Leigh or Ronaldo-Pele. It's not being snobbish or unreasonable to point it out, it's the way things are.

ArcheryAnnie · 02/04/2017 22:54

I like that many people from India etc now go with their given names and don't just pick a similar English one.

Birdsgottaf1y I can tell you from family experience that babies being named now are being given Anglo first names as well as Indian middle names precisely to help avoid their CVs getting binned in twenty years' time. It sucks, but there you go.

ArcheryAnnie · 02/04/2017 22:57

And I meant to add to the above: this is in the UK, babies of people who were born here and entirely grew up here, not the babies of people who have just come from India. It's a deliberate, calculated attempt to help their own kids not to get penalised for having Indian ancestry.

maddiemookins16mum · 02/04/2017 23:03

I would put money on which one of these two girls both in the same class, which one goes "further" in life...

Tamsyn Angel

Catherine Ruth

reuset · 02/04/2017 23:12

Although she may have been born in England then moved to Scotland...

She'd have had to have been born after 2005 in England then, as I couldn't find first name Pocahontas, as I mentioned earlier, just two people have it as a middle name. That story's been doing the rounds for a long time, Pocahontas McGinty.

There a handful of examples of first name Pocahontas in Eng. but they were late 1800s and the like, nothing recent.

maddiemookins16mum · 02/04/2017 23:22

Oh Babycham, the fact your Dr was called that answers my very point. It's a very posh, upmarket name - not some made up chav name.

SoulAccount · 02/04/2017 23:48

"I would put money on which one of these two girls both in the same class, which one goes "further" in life...

Tamsyn Angel

Catherine Ruth"

So if Tamsyn Angel 's parents gave her the same upbringing but a different name would she do better? In which case snobbery and discrimination are the issue, not the name.

Or would she still struggle if she was called Catherine Ruth? In which case it is her parenting that is not setting her up to succeed, and the name is irrelevant.

I would say that there are different name choices made by parents that reflect class and cultural differences. I hope none of us would ever judge someone for a job, or a place at Uni etc based on their name rather than their achievements?

Prizegiving night at Dc's school certainly demonstrates that a name is no barrier to academic achievement.

BillSykesDog · 03/04/2017 00:27

Honestly, these days I would think that a Catherine Ruth was the socially awkward child of older parents who might be bright but struggled to relate to other people.

I know quite a few girls called Tamsin/Tamsyn who are very middle class.

Shitonmyshoe · 03/04/2017 00:34

I may have misconstrued this (health issues) but I am almost positive that there was a gorgeous child on something special a few years back who was named 'Denied'. I always thought it poignant and beautiful.

crookedhooker · 03/04/2017 01:23

Surnames as first names are also sneered at one here yet where I live it's perfectly normal for a baby to be given its mothers maiden name as a first or second name.

TinfoilHattie · 03/04/2017 08:32

People are trying to be oh so politically correct here. "Of course little Nevaeh-Lexxii can be a brain surgeon!!" Well that's entirely true. What is also true is that children from deprived backgrounds and born to parents who are very young and from poorer backgrounds themselves are a LOT less likely to go to Uni or work their way up to professional jobs. That's not to say NOBODY DOES, it's just LESS LIKELY.

What is also true is that well educated, professional and older parents are LESS LIKELY to use names like T-Jaigh or Roxybella-Surprise and MORE LIKELY to go for Katherine, Edward, Anna or Peter.

What is that quote always used on here - the plural of anecdote isn't data?

ErrolTheDragon · 03/04/2017 08:42

The other relevant quote might be 'correlation isn't causation'. However, in the case of names there have been studies - give someone a CV to assess, and the type of name does affect how the applicant is perceived. 'Class' but also 'gender' - good recruiters are redacting names where possible.

SoulAccount · 03/04/2017 08:55

TinFoil: yes, those things are true. What is not true is that the name per se causes lack of progress.
Family background affects educational fulfilment.
Prejudice and snobbery cause discrimination.

Madwomans · 03/04/2017 08:57

Tinfoil, but you are indicting the class system and systemic inequality in your post, not naming habits. It's not her name that makes Nevaeh-Lexxii less likely to be a QC, it's the comparative educational and financial disadvantage her name indicates she's more likely to have been born into, and/or the snobbery she might face trying to get a pupillage. Her name isn't holding her back, it's a random collection of sounds, same as Charlotte Alexandria.

Madwomans · 03/04/2017 08:58

X-post with Soul.

SherlockPotter · 03/04/2017 08:59

No.

It's down to the parent(s) to name their children whatever they want, their child their choice.

MessiIsTheBest · 03/04/2017 11:23

It's down to the parent(s) to name their children whatever they want, their child their choice

Completely agree with you but there should be some sort of boundary like nothing offensive is allowed, much like we have in the UK right now

littleshirleybeans · 03/04/2017 13:09

The Pocahontas I'm thinking of would be about 17 or so now.

MrsBobtonTrent · 03/04/2017 17:27

I used to have a ridiculous made-up name. I changed it in my twenties and honestly life has been so much damn easier ever since. It was such a hurdle to overcome with each new person. I think people assume that the sorts of parents who would choose such a nonsense name are feckless drug-addict chavs and therefore I probably would be as well. A stupid name holds you back, and whether that's right or wrong, it is simply how things are.

Naming a child is a big responsibility - not a "laugh" or a power trip or a chance to demonstrate how unique and individual you are. I would support constraints on child-naming.

reuset · 03/04/2017 17:39

The Pocahontas I'm thinking of would be about 17 or so now.

There are no people with first name Pocahontas registered in the Eng and Wales BMDs, Scotland also, in the last 60 years or more. It might be their middle name they're using, or that they're under 12 years and so it hasn't shown up in the records yet. Unless they're not a UK national, that's another possible explanation.

RortyCrankle · 03/04/2017 18:26

ClaryBeanHorshAndMe
Well, I've heard worse.
Chantelle, Chardonnay, Jordyn, Chelseigh, Braedyn, Bradun, Kaylub etc...?

Quite right, and I'm going to describe them with a word that MNers hate - chavtastic Grin

reuset · 03/04/2017 19:01

Kaylub? You've just made that up! I hope Grin