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To think that Britain should take a tougher line on certain children's names?

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floraeasy · 31/03/2017 21:08

I name this baby... Superman. And another one... Gazza.

Oh, and let’s call this little mite... Gandalf.

And why not throw in Arsenal for good measure!

All the above are British children’s real first names – and they have all been given official blessing by our liberal authorities.

In Britain, all names, however ridiculous, are up for grabs. Hence celebrities can bestow their children with the likes of Apple, Harper Seven, Zowie and Fifi Trixibelle.

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The General Register Office says there are no restrictions on parents - except for exceptional cases, such as a name which could be deemed offensive, when an official could refuse to register it.

But such unusual names could blight a child’s future, according to Professor Helen Petrie, from the University of York, who has studied the psychological effects of having an unusual name.

“I found that people with unusual names had a really hard time, particularly when they were children,” she said.

They described getting teased and how traumatic it could be - because all children want to fit in. But when they became adults, they are often glad that they have something to help them stand out from the crowd.

“People with very common names sometimes feel that they aren’t unique enough. So I think there’s a happy medium to be struck.”

So isn’t it time we took a leaf out of baby naming books from other countries and make such monikers illegal?

Here are some of the worst offenders that have been officially banned in their own countries, but that any Tombola, Dickdastardly or Haribo could call their babies in Britain.

• Lucifer, V8, Christ and Messiah are among the baby names rejected by New Zealand’s department of internal affairs. Disappointed parents wishing to christen their offspring with numbers (89), letters (J, I, T) and punctuation marks (*) were also given short shrift.

• Fish and Chips (twins), Yeah Detroit, Keenan Got Lucy and Sex Fruit also got the kybosh, though the New Zealand judges did allow Number 16 Bus Shelter and Violence.

• But the top of the NZ banned list must surely be Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii.

• In Sweden, there is a law preventing parents from naming their children Metallica and Elvis. But in a parental fightback, a couple attempted to name their child Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116. Yes, it’s spelled correctly. We’ve double-checked! And apparently, it’s pronounced “Albin”, though we’re not sure how.

• In Italy, judges prevented a couple calling their kid Venerdi aka Friday. They reckoned the name - taken from Robinson Crusoe - would expose the boy to “mockery”.

• Over in Norway, a woman was thrown in jail for two days for giving her child the unapproved name Gesher aka Bridge.

• On the other side of the world, the Malaysian government banned the name Chow Tow. It sounds harmless enough, until you realise the translation is Smelly Head!

• But in China, a family wanted to keep their baby’s name short and sweet, by simply calling it @. Perfect for Twitter, we’d have thought.

• In Germany, the names Stompie, Woodstock and Grammophon have been turned down, whereas the similarly strange Speedy, Lafayette and Jazz were allowed.

• In New Zealand, a whopping 77 names have been banned. They include Lucifer, Mafia No Fear, 4Real, 2nd, 3rd or 5th and ‘.’ (or full stop!).

• But surely top of the pile (excuse the pun) of banned baby names is this from Denmark: Anus. Apparently, the judges thought the baby’s parents were trying to make an a**e of their offpring!

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/08/banned-the-world-s-most-ridiculous-baby-names_n_7379492.html

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Birdsgottaf1y · 01/04/2017 19:24

""you may not give your child a name that can cause hindrance in later life""

Which is why Kirk Douglas changed his name from Issur Danielovitch and so did many others, so the wouldn't be identified as Jewish/Czech/Hungarian etc.

I like that many people from India etc now go with their given names and don't just pick a similar English one.

All this stereotyping bullshit needs to stop. That includes the 'socio-economic' type as well. You can't catch poor, so unless your of the opinion that certain people should know their place and stay there, what is the problem?

As for anyone who bins CVs, the applicants have had a lucky escape.

WormwoodScrubbed · 01/04/2017 19:35

I think that's a very sexist rule.

Yeh I agree

badhotfanny · 01/04/2017 19:46

@baggy I met brothers called Duke and Earl once. They are probably dead now - in their late 60s 20 years ago.

maddiemookins16mum · 01/04/2017 20:00

When we named our daughter, we actually wrote down Dr and Professor in front of it (not as a priority but we considered her future). Hence she is not called Princess Tiana, Kylie or similar.
Awaits flaming (but couldn't care less).

witsender · 01/04/2017 20:10

I know a little Aubrey, i didn't think it unusual when i heard it.

PunkrockerGirl · 01/04/2017 20:19

Most of the names on the Baby Names threads here should be banned
This x1000.
Yes it's your baby and you can in theory call it what you want. But just why would you want to saddle the poor little thing with any of the horrors that regularly crop up on the baby name threads.
Although actually keep them coming, I love a good laugh

manicinsomniac · 01/04/2017 20:35

I love unusual names. There's a limit, sure. But most of them are great, imo.

I'm not convinced by the article - the 'Number 16 Bus Shelter' and Talullah Does The Hula In Hawaii' stories have been around for years. So they're either recycling really old statistics or regurgitating hearsay. Same with the Chlamydia and L-a thing.

Just occasionally you get a urban myth that actually came from somewhere though, so maybe they did too. I have a colleague who told us that her husband had been to school with siblings called Everard and Ophelia Dick and I said that was an urban myth ( because I'd read it on mumsnet ). But I googled it and she was right. Children with those names of the same age and from the same town as her husband did indeed exist. Bit embarrassing!

I'm not sold on Tyga-Lilly but I met a Tigerlily in a shop the other week and thought it was very pretty. Her brother had a similarly cool name but I've forgotten it - might have been Phoenix.

Harry Potter might have been born before the books. There must be loads around (poor guys!) My sister's friend's Dad is a university lecturer and is actually called Professor Snape!

I don't think cities are that unusual either, are they. I've taught children called Paris, Milan, Sydney, Dakota and Atlanta as well as India and Kenya.

I've also known (over 11 years in 2 different schools, this isn't a current class list or anything! In fact some are from other places than school):
Chantelle, Hailie, Orlando, Anastasia-Sparkle-Boo, Clea, Gavin, Chymme, Darren, Indianna, Summer-Daisy, Ptolemy, Blue, Antigone (X3!), Fitch, Karenza, Lili-Kitty, Zia, Aulay, Wilkie, Rafi, Teejay, Howie, Barnaby (X2), Kay-Jay, Maximus and Deborah.

If everyone was James, Oliver, Lily and Amelia it would be a bit of a shame.

Oh, and look at the horrible histories Victorian names sketch on youtube for old examples of uniqueness!

IvyLeagueUnderTheSea · 01/04/2017 20:55

I don't think cities are that unusual either, are they. I've taught children called Paris, Milan, Sydney, Dakota and Atlanta as well as India and Kenya.

Don't forget Florence of course.

ClashCityRocker · 01/04/2017 20:58

To be fair, if a parent wants to call their kid 'mafia no fear', I'd hazard a guess that the poor kids going to have huge problems in life regardless of the parents being told they can't call him that.

I know a few Harry Potters. All older than the books.

I also know a Nike - pronounced Nicky. If he was a girl he would have been ellesse.

I quite like unusual names - although I do thing some can be quite tricky to live up to.

Didiplanthis · 01/04/2017 21:09

Me OH and the registrar couldn't work out which was the 'correct' spelling of Elliot/Elliott so the registrar googled it in the office and we went with the one that seemed to be most frequently used. I think we all got it wrong though as he ended up with 2 ts. However it is a middle name and we really did try !!!!

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2017 22:16

I also know a Nike - pronounced Nicky. If he was a girl he would have been ellesse.
Nike is the name of the Greek goddess of victory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_(mythology) - thats why people should run unusual spellings past the collective wisdom of MN Grin

SoulAccount · 02/04/2017 08:05

Manicinsomniac: how are Darren, Gavin, Barnaby and Deborah unusual?

Barnaby is mainstream fashionable, we have two in our road!

Beebeeeight · 02/04/2017 09:48

I've heard of an Araya-Hope.

flummoxedworried · 02/04/2017 09:52

Size 8 and Dj Mo's daughter Ladasha Belle is the newest millionaire in town.

www.tuko.co.ke/221678-size-8s-daughter.html

DonaldStott · 02/04/2017 09:57

Nrtft so not sure if someone has already mentioned it. In the ilk of Harper Seven - half past 7, nicole kidman named her baby Sunday Rose, which is far too close to Sunday Roast imho.

Blueflowers2011 · 02/04/2017 10:05

I would name any future children totally different names to anyone else just to annoy people with this view, I always go in the opposite direction when I hear these silly ideas and thoughts how the world should be run.

Free world, in all due respect why would it even bother you? There are plenty of 'normal' names out there. Why be 'normal' and try and fit into what is deemed acceptable by society? Boring !

reuset · 02/04/2017 10:15

What non boring , different names would you use, blueflowers2011?

BalloonSlayer · 02/04/2017 10:38

Fifi Geldof was named after Bob Geldof's favourite auntie, Fifi. Fifi is,I think, just short for Fiona.

I think that the Trixibelle was just added as a quirky middle name. It's not hyphenated. It's only the media that call the poor girl (woman) her full name. How many people call you by your first and middle names all the time?

I think after all the hate they received (you need to remember that before Band Aid/Live Aid Bob and Paula were widely disliked), about Fifi's name, that the Geldofs saw it as a challenge to give the kids really daft names as a two-fingered gesture.

manicinsomniac · 02/04/2017 13:59

SoulAccount Darren, Gavin and Deborah aren't at all unusual if you're 30-65ish years old. Really common, in fact. But I think they're pretty rare for kids now, aren't they? I've certainly only ever met the one of each.

Didn't know Barnaby was trending though. Sounds very quirky to my ears - I like it a lot, I just can't say it without adding 'Bear' in my head!

BikeRunSki · 02/04/2017 15:08

I was a bit Hmm at the idea of Gavin being unusual. I work with 3! They are in the 30s and 40s; probably a similar number of Darrens and Deborah too.

IvyLeagueUnderTheSea · 02/04/2017 15:41

I remember teaching supply about ten years ago and one girl said 'I'm Pamala and this is Barbara' I thought, 'nice try girls' but that was really their names. When did you ever mean a Pamala and Barbara under about 40?

WaitroseCoffeeCostaCup · 02/04/2017 16:05

Hasn't harmed me!

Why are so many on mumsnet so determined to allow their child no individual identity at all? Starting from the very beginning with an acceptable, identikit top 10 name. I can't think of anything worse!

'Why fit in when you were born to stand out?'

BabychamSocialist · 02/04/2017 16:55

I'm always reminded of the Wayne and Waynetta Slob sketch when I see stuff like this, with their baby Spudulike (pronounced Spud-u-licker) Grin

Personally, I'd rather have unique names because they're easier to remember for me as a teacher. I'm likely to get all the various Toms mixed up at some point, but when I taught a girl called Wednesday about 10 years ago it was easy to remember.

Equally I remember the Britney and Elvis we had a few years ago.

In about 10 years there'll be a flood of Theons and girls named Daenerys according to some news articles I read, because they're popular Game of Thrones characters.

BabychamSocialist · 02/04/2017 16:57

Yeah Gavin isn't unusual if you're of a certain age. I went to school with about 5 Gavins. I think it died out a bit though.

A lot of names are like that. You don't get many kids named Reginald or Ethel do you? But they were hugely popular names in the 20s/30s/40s.

WormwoodScrubbed · 02/04/2017 17:00

I don't think the PP was saying Gavin, Darren and Deborah are unusual I think they were just listing children they've known. I went to school with a Chantal (bit different to the Chantelle spelling) but her mother was Mauritian-French and Karenza isn't that unusual either, I know a woman in her forties with that name and I think it's from Cornwall but might be wrong