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To think Rachel Dolezal is an utter charlatan

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MercyMyJewels · 28/03/2017 10:23

twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/846410886671732736

Apparently there is a thing called transracial now.

What next, transbeastial?

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user1487175389 · 28/03/2017 19:56

Go on, and ego tell me what I'm mistaken about.

SemiPermanent · 28/03/2017 19:58

watch the liberal world implode with the meta-ness of defending transgender while denigrating transrace

From waaay back at the beginning of the thread.

YY 100%

egosumquisum1 · 28/03/2017 20:00

tell me what I'm mistaken about

I'd only be accused of merailing and derailing. But I do know real male violence, daily male violence, hate, prejudice, self loathing, feeling a failure, not good enough and total body hating. Things are better now.

MissLupescu · 28/03/2017 20:01

Ego- that didn't answer my question.

Why is a trans woman more likely to be destitute than any other group or at more risk of violence than a woman or more at risk of suicide than a working age man?

No two people are the same or experience the same things. The problem with the trans activist argument is that they want what woman have, rather than have protection of their own - which they have. It's illegal in this country to be sacked for being trans. Of course it still happens, but it still happens to women because they become preganant. You only have to look at the employment forums to get your evidence.

WhereYouLeftIt · 28/03/2017 20:03

"there are stats available for homelessness, drug addiction, unemployment and all the other issues that put trans people at risk of being destitute."
Could you point me in the direction of those stats please ego? I would appreciate having some facts in front of me. Thanks in advance.

morningrunner · 28/03/2017 20:07

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Notwhatiexpected · 28/03/2017 20:08

Oh I missed this thread today, only on page 1 and @NotCarylchurchill being a peach as per.

Luckily I identify as a woman whose experience of Transvestism is valid.

egosumquisum1 · 28/03/2017 20:09

This is a good source

www.transequality.org/issues

morningrunner · 28/03/2017 20:09

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MissLupescu · 28/03/2017 20:09

Ego- do you know one of the many reasons why my family member hated themselves? It is because he is mixed race and grew up in a predominately white community and experienced racism most days, didn't get the job opportunities the rest of us did, which made him poorer and felt a failure and hated himself? This amongst other things of course, which included abuse at the hands of his father.

You see, everyone has a reason to loathe what they are and should be able to access the help they need. That is what the trans activists should be fighting for, not to be recognised and treated as the most vulnerable in society and trample all over woman's rights and invade their safe spaces.

egosumquisum1 · 28/03/2017 20:10

It's not illegal to sack someone for being trans. It is illegal to sack someone because he or she has legally has changed gender

It's also remarkably easy not to employ someone because they are trans. It's hard to prove that's the reason. There are some people who seem to be prejudiced against trans people and don't want to employ them. Or give them a home to rent.

doublesnap · 28/03/2017 20:10

KIngJoffreys :-)

I identify as Kate Mosse (the author, not the model) so applause for the wonderful books is all mine.

WhereYouLeftIt · 28/03/2017 20:13

Thanks ego.

auntyhiro · 28/03/2017 20:16

She is a pioneer and in future will be spoken about in the same breath as as Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King.

If she identifies as X then she is X

Anyone who disagrees is a bigot and guilty of hate crime. Enjoy your rants whilst you can, soon your comments will be grounds for prosecution

VestalVirgin · 28/03/2017 20:19

I also don't understand the argument re trans woman are more likely and more vulnerable to prostitution. Is this really true?

No, it is not. Especially not considering what passes for a transwoman these days. (I.e. every male who says he has genderfeelz)
Poor, non-white gay men are more vulnerable to prostitution than other males (but certainly not more vulnerable to prostitution than women), and if they want costly surgery, which they'd never be able to pay for with the kind of job they can get, then that's also something that increases the risk that they become prostitutes, same as having a drug addiction does.

Privileged, middle-aged white males who are attracted to women are obviously not more vulnerable to prostitution when they decide they have always had genderfeelz.

And even IF transwomen were more vulnerable to prostitution, so what?
It would certainly NOT be the fault of radical feminists. Or, let's face it, any woman's fault at all. It is men who use prostitutes, male or female, and who murder them.

If transwomen are so horribly at risk for prostitution, that's sad, but it is NOT women's problem to solve, not our responsibility.

It is a male-made problem. And the responsibility of males to solve it.

egosumquisum1 · 28/03/2017 20:20

No, it is not

Why not?

MissLupescu · 28/03/2017 20:20

Ok fair enough I got that mixed up, it's illegal to sack someone if they have legally changed gender (see why I'm asking questions? I would like to be more clued up on this subject)

VestalVirgin · 28/03/2017 20:21

She is a pioneer and in future will be spoken about in the same breath as as Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King.If she identifies as X then she is X

Yeah, absolutely. I agree.

After all, I don't want to be considered a bigot.

WhereYouLeftIt · 28/03/2017 20:22

Seriously, antihiro?

Disclaimer : reality has taken such a strange turn, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to spot satire and sarcasm.

FloraFox · 28/03/2017 20:29

As usual, TRAs try to conflate the experiences of white, middle aged, middle class MTTs with young, poor POC. The latter are the ones at risk of violence and the risks associated with prostitution. The former are more at risk of suicide and self-harm, as are white, middle class males in general (who have a higher suicide rate than women or black men).

The MTTs I know have mainly been employed in well paid jobs in male dominated fields.

MissLupescu · 28/03/2017 20:31

Thank you for giving your opinion on my question Vestal, and I agree with what you're saying.

Notwhatiexpected · 28/03/2017 20:38

I just think she is really brave. How dare those bigots say that her experience as a black person isn't as valid as theirs. Just because she wasn't born black, she brings a different experience to the table.

And yes she should be lauded for re-educating those with black privilege about what being black actually is. Rachel is living it, she has studied this, she has felt this way since she was really young! Rachel has been so oppressed.

BigDeskBob · 28/03/2017 20:38

I'm sure RD has had many traumatic experiences in her life, and the criticism she has received has been dreadful, but that doesn't make her black. Similarly, I'm sure many mtt have traumatic experiences, but that doesn't make them women.

BigDeskBob · 28/03/2017 20:41

True, notwhatiexpected. Grin

Notwhatiexpected · 28/03/2017 20:45

I know a transblack woman, and she is so lovely, the stuff she does for her fellow black women. Just because she doesn't meet YOUR expectations of what a blackwoman is, makes you the bad guy here.

In fact, see for yourself:
www.barbiesavior.com