Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

Though maybe it was correct to be suspicious of irish people, they were potential terrorists. It was easy to spot them by their accents, but then lots of Irish immigration means there are thousands of people living in this country with Irish ancestry, what if they were radicalised!? Better be suspicious of everyone who looks a bit Irish or have an irish sounding name, beware of the red heads under the bed!

But calling people racist etc is not going to change anyone's views. It will just drive them into a corner

What do you suggest?
I'd rather drive them into a corner than give them a platform to speak.

Why should Islam modernise when a vast majority of Muslims all around the world, Muslims like me, my family and friends, live in peace and follow our religion peacefully?

Islam needs to modernise not just because of terrorism but also because of the all the other out dated thinking eg.

The women who are beaten or jailed for adultery.
And the homosexuals who can be sentenced to death by many islamic states if they get caught.

Christianity also had a bad history, but it modernised and became more tolerant. Islam has a lot of catching up to do.

@MuseumofCurry The majority of Muslims do shake hands with the opposite gender. Practicing Jews however don't shake the hand of the opposite gender. Would you not employ them too?

Sure, because Jews are white and I like them more than I like Muslims.

Is that what you were looking for?

Do you mean Orthodox Jews, by the way?

To be clear, I don't think there is a big problem with people not shaking hands in the UK. I married into a Muslim family and all of the distant relatives manage just fine when they visit. My post was responding to Lwejs' defense of the non-shaking business, which I found pretty weird.

We need to say that Islam has to modernise

Why? Why should Islam modernise when a vast majority of Muslims all around the world, Muslims like me, my family and friends, live in peace and follow our religion peacefully?

I agree. I'd resent being told that I have to modernise in any way, I find modernity pretty overrated.

Christianity also had a bad history, but it modernised and became more tolerant.

Certain parts of it. There are a lot of decidedly non-modern Christians.

I'm just chuckling at the idea of all Christians being modern. My SIL married into a family that sent her husband to private Christian school so that they could avoid the thorny subjects of science and evolution.

"Christianity also had a bad history, but it modernised and became more tolerant. Islam has a lot of catching up to do."

Still plenty of extreme fundamentalist Christianity around, not least in the US. But if one of those go on a killing spree, it will not be described as a terrorist act; it will be seen as a case of individual poor mental health, however well grounded in ideas of their particular sect.

Christianity was used as the excuse for pillaging and subduing other cultures all over the world. Many of those cultures still have to live with the effects, however much Christians (among whom I count myself) now want to be given credit for our new-found tolerant approach.

And many of us are old enough to remember the Christian-driven terrorism of the IRA; many of the perpetrators and abetters still hold responsible positions and have a respected position in society.

Visit some of the churches southern states of the US and then tell me Christianity is modernised. Using the internet to share their ideas is the only modernisation they have embraced. Hell fire preachers get more likes!

she does speak for the silent majority

That sort of claim always make me laugh. By definition we don't know what the so-called "silent majority" think, but people who make this sort of claim always assert that they think exactly the same way as they do.

She is a fuckwit pure and simple, don't give her the ' oxygen of publicity' anymore than the daily fail does

Meanwhile a fresh set of people are bereaved and grief stricken.

That sort of claim always make me laugh. By definition we don't know what the so-called "silent majority" think, but people who make this sort of claim always assert that they think exactly the same way as they do.

It's true that can't know what the 'silent majority' are thinking, but it's worth pondering. The silent majority elected Trump, against all odds.

I have no doubt that there are huge numbers of people who are way less copacetic with multiculturalism than they claim - whether they're the majority is the question.

I'm not sure what she suggests.

Has she got any 'solutions' to the issue of Islamic terrorism?

There has never been a reformation of Islam, unlike other religious group. Fundamental religious groups of all kinds are a dangerous crowd, look at the so called christians who murder doctors who perform abortions in the US.
As Golda Meuir said, "They won't stop until they love their children, more than they hate us" that covers all intolerance

Homosexuality is illegal in many African countries. Some parts of the C of E may have become more liberal in the UK, but plenty of churches in the Anglican communion (e.g. Church of Uganda) haven't, hence all the recent debate.

CoolCarrie Thu 23-Mar-17 10:43:06
"There has never been a reformation of Islam, unlike other religious group. Fundamental religious groups of all kinds are a dangerous crowd, look at the so called Christians"

Are you an expert on Islamic history?

Africa is a place apart from soo much, believe me. They use witchcraft or muti here, and believe in it ! There is even a lobby for muti to be a subject covered in medical schools and a movement for decolonisation of everything here, back to the middle ages I fear here.

No I am not at all, but are you? If so, tell us more..,

It strikes me that article has a very deep flaw in that it pretends it's still 2009 and we still have a left wing liberal government extolling the virtues of multiculturalism and pretending nothing is wrong.

We don't. Things like the Rotherham grooming gangs and the Trojan Horse plot have been uncovered and dealt with. The security services and Prevent appear to be doing an excellent job despite liberal whinging. Abu Izzadeen and Anjem Choudary are in prison and various scams they had siphoning off public money to fund extremist activities have been stopped and prosecuted.

The liberals Hopkins are complaining about are now a sideshow and not the main event. The 'tiptoeing around other cultures' doesn't happen to anything like the extent it used to.

It's a bit of a silly article which ignores the fact that a lot of things have changed since 2009 and liberals can't be assumed to be the dominant political force anymore.

"These people have no cause there will be no end to it as they will not stop until everyone is like them..."

They do have a cause!
They want to cause as much division and hatred as they can. They want to convince Muslims that western governments hate them, and that they will never be welcome in countries like Britain. they want to force people to choose between their faith and the country they live in.
They want the rest of Britain to turn against Muslims, they want our government to oppress them and they want as many Muslims as possible to feel hated, unhappy and marginalised. They want far right extremists to burn down mosques and tear off hijabs - then they can say "see? we told you it was a war between Them and Us!"

They want escalation.
I don't want them to get what they want.

In my view, no religion, none of them, are worth killing, or dying for

Sometimes it is. But people never blame the entire white community, or Christianity. They always have mental issues.

Lol. Are you joking. The white community is blamed wholesale for slavery, racism, colonialism, Capitalism, Marxism, sexism etc etc. Why do you think the term "white privilege" exists?

Sometimes it is. But people never blame the entire white community, or Christianity. They always have mental issues.

Lol. Are you joking. The white community is blamed wholesale for slavery, racism, colonialism, Capitalism, Marxism, sexism etc etc. Why do you think the term "white privilege" exists?

You're just describing the different 'realities' at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Why do you think the term "white privilege" exists?

Because white privilege exists.

Visit some of the churches southern states of the US and then tell me Christianity is modernised

They dont kill people for being homosexual in the US.

The christians in the southern states when they a meet homosexual will say something along the lines of "i dont believe your life style is right but i will pray to the lord for your salvation". Thats is about as bad as it gets.

When i said Islam was behind Christianity , i was talking about the Catholic church and the Inquisitions, and how they used to killed people because of their beliefs.

The Inquisitions stopped killing people in name of Christianity about about two hundred years go.