Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

but would you honestly like to see views like hers censored

There's the rub.

I wish that people would realise the harm their black and white views can cause especially when they have a powerful platform. Words are powerful.

I'm not a liberal and I fundamentally disagree with Hopkins on this one.

Look at what's been happening in the EU over the last few years. And what's happened here? Not much in comparison. And although yesterday's attack was tragic, it was comparatively low casualty, dealt with quickly and didn't involve weaponry apart from knives.

Whatever the UK is doing it's largely very much working. I think a combination of security services work, Prevent and non-EU migration reform has been pretty effective. And Brexit does deal with some concerns about high levels of unmonitored migration into the EU and the threats that might cause.

I don't agree with the liberal ideas that if we just opened up our borders and gave out free hugs everything would be okay, but I'm certainly not worried. I think that the UK is one of the best positioned western countries to deal with Islamic terrorism.

But if Labour got back in, I confess I'd be terrified.

Polly, it means Do Fuck Off Dear. Quite commonly used on MN.

the liberal ideas that if we just opened up our borders and gave out free hugs everything would be okay

Which party is offering this? I've missed that manifesto/campaign leaflet, clearly.

You are supporting KH & DM by posting the link you posted OP.

if YOU want to do something to make a change, stop reading KH, stop reading DM, stop sharing links to both online.

And sign up to #StopFundingHate and support that campaign.

I guess KH is saving up to pay the over £300k legal bill she has to pay. Let's not help her with that either :)

What's that? Before I respond

Never mind...it's very rude and an oft used MN acronym. The gist of it was I totally disagree with your critique of La Hopkins and anm much more aligned to what Clandestino said a few posts up at 9.53.

Again apologies for being rude: this tends to happen when I am exposed to KH: an explanation, but not an excuse.

didn't involve weaponry apart from knives
and a 4X4 - don't leave that out.

if YOU want to do something to make a change, stop reading KH, stop reading DM, stop sharing links to both online

But KH and the DM will still publish and have a platform. Such views can also be challenged. She won't go away.

I couldn't read all of it but it just sounded like a pointless rant to me. She can walk around shouting about the end of days as much as she likes. Ultimately she is just as foolish and pointless as anyone else who has nothing constructive to say. She is paid to be a ranty columnist, she is paid to create social media storms in tea cups. Her employers are even more cynical and hateful than she is.

I like to see what she is doing to make the world a better place, rather than hear her ill informed and blinkered view of the world.

London is always going to be a target for terrorism, I have lived and worked there my dh works minutes from the House of Commons, I was very worried yesterday till I got him home. But he will be going to work as normal and life will go on because the world isn't broken, and life goes on. It always does even in the worst situations and we can find a way to heal if we allow ourselves. KH and her ilk offer nothing but fear and ignorance that never is the solution

Which party is offering this? I've missed that manifesto/campaign leaflet, clearly

Sapphire

Not part of the manifesto but didn't Cameron urge us to hug a hoodie?

DISCLAIMER no part of this should be taken as an endorsement of Cameron or anyone else. Just saying, if you look hard enough you'll find summat!

KH and her ilk offer nothing but fear and ignorance that never is the solution

This.

Please remember, this attacker happened to be Muslim. He is one person out of over 2 million Muslims in the UK. Are you really going to blame Islam or Muslims for this?

Well who else are you blaming?

It's never Joe Blogs running his whelk stall in the Mile End Road is it?

Are you really going to blame Islam or Muslims for this?

Well who else are you blaming?

Are you fucking serious? Clearly, you should blame the man, not the whole community.

It's never Joe Blogs running his whelk stall in the Mile End Road is it?

Sometimes it is. But people never blame the entire white community, or Christianity.
They always have mental issues.

So Polly you hold all Catholics responsible for the IRA terror attacks in London?

She also likes to spread lies, fake news and misleading data through her twitter feed.

Such lies should be countered.

This one such example. She fell for fake news about a road sign being changed into Farsi? It appealed to her views.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/katie-hopkins-muslim-twitter_uk_573d8b22e4b058ab71e645b7

She also had to apologise for her column on a Muslim family and Disneyland.

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hopkins-twitter-apology-muslim-family-extremism-links-mail-online-column-a7484436.html

But she still has a column in the Daily Mail despite this. Draw your own conclusions.

Hasn't KH had recent brain surgery? I thought she was still recovering, she's resilient I'll give her that!

Best thing we can all do is raise our children to be tolerant and kind. I was raised with a very racist, mysoginistic father and he just made all of us want to be the total opposite to him. His beliefs have not rubbed off an any of us, we despise his viewpoint completely. Do hate does no necessarily breed hate, I think the posters that said it was cultural and not regilious were bang on the money.

polly

He was a man. Do you blame men for it?

Gaahh!

Another Daily Mail reader complaining about a Daily Mail columnist's shite, being printed in the Daily Mail

If it wasn't for you OP, and all the other DM readers, this woman couldn't possibly get her shite posted.

I've no doubt she raises a glass of champagne to Mumsnet, every time her pay cheque rolls in.

We need to say that Islam has to modernise

Why? Why should Islam modernise when a vast majority of Muslims all around the world, Muslims like me, my family and friends, live in peace and follow our religion peacefully?

Islam is not the problem, people are the problem.

This article is disgusting. The way she keeps talking about Sadiq Khan sounds like she thinks he's involved in the attack.

Polly that is a nonsensical parallel to draw - there is literally only going to be one Joe running a whelk stall! That is not in any way comparable to a huge section of the worlds population - Islam is also defined into groups characterised by different sects and cultural differences etc etc Just like the Christian population.

I remember when Irish people were viewed with suspicion that was nonsensical too.

Hi Polly, so should we blame all white people for Anders/Charleston church attack or the racial hatred attack on a OAP in NY this week?

I remember when Irish people were viewed with suspicion that was nonsensical too

I can imagine if social media had been around during that period - no doubt people had strong opinions but now there is a massive platform to share them.

And to challenge them.

But calling people racist etc is not going to change anyone's views. It will just drive them into a corner.

Or the nutjobs who attacked a pregnant woman as she was Muslim, should I be blaming all men for some idiots who can't think or reason? These attacks are done by cowardly idiots, religion is an excuse - not a reason

Christianity peaked and then reformed because of the enlightenment

The enlightenment didn't stop European Christian countries scrambling to grab their bit of Africa. Many extremists come from poor, post colonial North African countries.

Thugs thrive on a sense of grievance, and unfortunately Islamic terrorists have plenty of propaganda.