Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

Lweji - of course being a man is more dangerous than also being Muslim (not sure why you have men or Muslim). However, random people are not being deliberately run over, and our police officers stabbed in the streets, in the name of an organisation proclaiming that they are the most devout Men, who want a land where only Men can live, who would rather you die unless you convert to be a Man.

it is also complete bunkem because it would not be all Men, and they would kill more Men than anyone else. It would be followers of Wahabi Men, being funded by a state of Wahabi men, fighting a proxy war. So you really have go narrow it down quite a lot, otherwise we could claim that humans are more violent than other animals, and that would just be extrapolating to a silly degree, no?

I must have missed where people said they believed it was all Muslims who are terrorists, or that they only wanted borders closing because of Muslims? Where was this said? my apologies for missing such explicit posts.

Hatie Slopkins would have us think Hitler was a great guy and made a lot of sense as it adds cash to her bank account, after all she writes for the newspaper that backed him

*got to narrow it down guide a bit from just being Men

Katie Hopkins may dislike Sadiq Khan and multiculturalism, but that does not mean that someone agreeing with her comments is blaming all for the crimes of the few.

The Katie Hopkins article didn't really make a clear argument, however it's not possible to agree with Katie Hopkins and claim to have a balanced, informed view of U.K. society.

She is a professional troll who monetises division and bigotry.

She is crazy. Who listens to her anyway

Trump? He watches Fox.

By dismissing her views as crazy, you are ignoring the fact that there are many people who think like her.

Challenging, debating and persuading such people that their views are at odds with others perception of the reality is a tough challenge.

and I would like her to be fined massively for such behaviour

Won't that make her a martyr?

proclaiming that they are the most devout Men, who want a land where only Men can live, who would rather you die unless you convert to be a Man.

Sounds like recent policy

If prison is where this man was radicalised then that is an issue, along with why these men are being radicalised

I am sure the security services already do this and have a clear profile of the kind of person most likely to carry out an act of terrorism - be it white supremacist, Islamist terrorism or any other cause. It's not like terrorism is a new thing.

The alt right seem upset that Londoners aren't cowering away after the attack, rather all religions and people are standing together. Without fear the alt right has nothing to exploit.

just seen your post citing the racist comment about it being "muslims" Lweji. Still, we cannot, from one persons actions, say that everyone who agrees with what KH says feels the same. Can we?

Won't that make her a martyr?

Possibly, but she is talking about one specific man in a very shitty way. I'm sorry, but I knew a lot of guys like Khan growing up... he is NOT the problem.

Still, we cannot, from one persons actions, say that everyone who agrees with what KH says feels the same.

So what would they be agreeing with?

That something has to be Done?

That I agree with...I don't know what though.

And I hate the rest of the article

She seems to be getting a lot of publcity from this article. Will it have financial repercussions with people who don't want to be associated with her views - especially on Khan?

The problem is people's something is different.

My something is educate and provide support.

Donald trumps something is close borders

A white supremecist something is.....

I do think that she has the right to free speech, but I think mainstream media should be more responsible in what they are willing to print.

That something has to be Done

But things ARE BEING DONE. That's why this kind of attack is rare and that's why we haven't seen bomb attacks.

I should imagine she wants every Muslim person interned. Or sent back home if they emigrated here.

She would have been the same in the 50s and 60s with immigration from the colonies. No doubt about it.

Her words are really just saying she wants a white Britain.

That is true. I'm not going to comment any more.

we cannot, from one persons actions, say that everyone who agrees with what KH says feels the same. Can we?

We can't.
Which is why I've asked several times on this thread what pps mean when they say they agree with KH, particularly with some aspects of what she says.

Something is being done.

The police and security services try to gather intelligence and work with the Muslim community. We try to communicate that it is possible to be a Muslim and a fully integrated member of British society.

However, you can't stop people from being hate filled thugs and idiots, and these people exist in all societies and are attracted to gangs, cults and extremist ideology.

The difficulty now is that ease of communication means they aren't restricted by borders.

it is also complete bunkem because it would not be all Men, and they would kill more Men than anyone else. It would be followers of Wahabi Men, being funded by a state of Wahabi men, fighting a proxy war. So you really have go narrow it down quite a lot,

I think you're making my point there.

If you missed where people have blamed all Muslims, here's one of my posts from today.

Now it's muslims, condemn them for what they're doing without bringing past atrocities from other groups of people into it. It's unnecessary and in a way trivialising it. Islam is not a peaceful religion, say it for what it is ffs

Me: Who said people here weren't blaming all Muslims? hmm

But there are lots of things "being done" it is all very well for people to wring their hands and mutter but the reality is that millions are being spent on defence, intelligence, policing, laws have been changed, people incarcerated for years under anti-terrorism legislation. It is not true that the threat is not taken seriously. Multi culturalism is neither here nor there acts of terror happen in countries with a wide variety of regimes and cultural norms. It is a global issue and requires countries to act together not put up barriers.

Donald trumps something is close borders

Trump's something is also

'But I'm not going to do anything to upset the NRA or my gun loving sons, and it's my right as an American to make money by ignoring links to organised crime and terrorism - and Daddy only happened to be passing by that KKK rally where he was arrested... and this is Steve Bannon who really wishes it was the 11th century and he was in Constantinople'

Last comment.

I think that comment was from someone who was offended as they possibly have sympathies for the actions of the IRA.

Similarly to some people have sympathies for the actions of isis.

"The Katie Hopkins article didn't really make a clear argument, however it's not possible to agree with Katie Hopkins and claim to have a balanced, informed view of U.K."

For real merrymouse? So anyone who had ever agreed with KH is unbalanced?

I thought your argument was against people making sweeping generalisations of others? Or is that against them making generalisations with which you agree? Do you not see, if you equate all those who think differently with a troll, they will not listen to you? And you also become in no way different from the troll you protest against, in tarring all people who agree with something, with the same brush.

So anyone who had ever agreed with KH is unbalanced?

Merry didn't say that. She said unbalanced view.