Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

GrommitsEarsHurt

Your post was disingenuous.

People aren't minimising terrorism. Nor that this man was Muslim. Or rather, converted to Islam.

When people call for borders closing, make Muslims responsible for reporting and for denouncing these actions, they are blaming all Muslims.

Also, it wasn't said that we should forget he was Muslim and should concentrate on him being a man.

Our point was that he is a man. And it's almost always men that carry out such hateful acts.
If you want a profile, being a man is probably more dangerous than being Muslim. Do you disagree?

Even the police and security forces aren't as naive as to monitor all Muslims.

Who are these people?
Men, often relatively young, Muslim, often recent converts, national born, who associate with certain groups.

I'm sure they also profile other young men, white, from poorer areas, who often dress in certain ways and associate with certain white supremacist groups. Yet not all white supremacists will go on killing sprees and nobody here has advocated locking them up just on suspicions. Unlike Southall who did for Muslims.

We can't work as a multicultural society when something like this happens and the only way to describe the attacker is to say it was Muslim.

But there is an element of truth and reality running between the lines of what she's written here.

People writing these posts.
What is the element of truth? Care to say?

I think that people blaming anyone other than Islamic Extremists, for an Islamic Extremist terrorist attack, will always matter, irrespective of what is happening in the US, merrymouse.

Katie Hopkins may dislike Sadiq Khan and multiculturalism, but that does not mean that someone agreeing with her comments is blaming all for the crimes of the few. Inferring so, from the comments of people commenting that they agree with her, is false equivalency. It is also intolerant to those who take a different stance to yourself.

Trump is clearly a fool, as is Farage, as is any extreme right terrorist. The travel ban is obviously imbecilic. However, irrespective of those examples of terrorism you gave, no one here has said they are blaming everyone for the acts of the few.

I am well aware of the context people are posting in. However, bad things happening in the world do not mean that people cannot voice their thoughts, even if they do not fall into agreement with us liberals. Are the voices of those who are more right wing, to be restricted because of the context of the extreme right? By that logic, any Muslims who have had issues with any multicultural policies, would also be discouraged from voicing them. You know, because of Extremists and the context?

Now it's muslims, condemn them for what they're doing without bringing past atrocities from other groups of people into it. It's unnecessary and in a way trivialising it. Islam is not a peaceful religion, say it for what it is ffs

Who said people here weren't blaming all Muslims?

Yes he was british. Radicalised in an area with majority Muslims probably. There are areas with in our society that are no longer britain in any way.

Unless we fix that we will never deal with terrorism from the few people within these places who (probably feel displaced and disenfanchised and have been listening to hate speech) Many will be vulnerable and impressionable and looking for hope and inspiration.

It doesn't take many radicalised people to do a lot of damage.

Does this mean all muslims are responsible?

No

Who is?

People in government who did not try and fix it. (Labour sadly) and any person who knows someone is being radicalised and does not report it.

This guy was known to security services, many have been in the past. Maybe our laws need to be tougher on people who threaten harm against our culture.

We need strateguess to stop radicalisation in prison too. There is a real problem with this happening.

I think that people blaming anyone other than Islamic Extremists, for an Islamic Extremist terrorist attack

See. That is different and much more specific. Islamic extremism is a specific phenomenon.

It's the same shouting down of any debate on difficult discussions. Any controversial subject can no longer be discussed did to the cries of "racism".

It's not clear how you think the attacker's race made him a Muslim or where you think he was from.

France and the UK have large Muslim populations because people emigrated from ex colonies decades ago, but the attacker seems to have followed a common terrorist path of converting/becoming radicalised in prison.

If you want to discuss controversial subjects it's best to use facts and a clear argument.

t's the same shouting down of any debate on difficult discussions. Any controversial subject can no longer be discussed did to the cries of "racism

I think the Army Captain who helped people on the bridge had it right. He said this seemed to be a deeply troubled individual who we will probably find had a difficult past, a troubled past, who converted to Islam and who took out his anger on people in the name of a cause.

This guy was known to security services, many have been in the past. Maybe our laws need to be tougher on people who threaten harm against our culture.

What do you suggest? Preventative lock up of anyone who makes threats and spouts hate?
Why specifically against "our culture? What is that culture? Who is "us"?
What about people who threaten Muslims? Is that less serious? Can they stay free?

We need strateguess to stop radicalisation in prison too. There is a real problem with this happening
It looks like it is, yes. Suggestions? Are you familiar enough to say what's wrong with what's in place?
Should these people be locked up or not? Muslim only prisons?

I'm sure they also profile other young men, white, from poorer areas, who often dress in certain ways and associate with certain white supremacist groups

Can you imagine the outcry if people from these groups were interned because they fit a profile that is more likely to carry out attacks on others?

Nikel have you ever been to Edinburgh. It's half full of English people.

Yes. It is friendlier. I live in a majority yessers area.

This guy was known to security services, many have been in the past. Maybe our laws need to be tougher on people who threaten harm against our culture

Maybe the law needs toughen up against people who threaten harm and pose a danger to the rest of society? I am sure people could make a list of those type of people who they think pose real dangers to others.

Is anyone suggesting that muslims should be interned? If they are god help everyone.

Yes. They could. I doubt it would include whole fAith groups

The problem is that people who write hate would also have to be censored.
Yes, that means KH. That means your white supremacist Internet warrior too. People locked up for threatening to kill or rape on FB and Twitter.

If this had been a school shooting by a white boy, what would her reaction and Farage's reaction have been?

There would have been no column, no talks about immigration, no links to Islam....

Good

Katie hoping is terrible.

What I really don't get was the bit about Khan. Khan is a londoner through and through. I really just don't get it and yes it does say a lot about her views on ALL muslims.

She is crazy. Who listens to her anyway.

Hopkins

Who listens to her anyway.

Did you not read the thread and the pps who agree with her?

We should disperse muslim prisoners around British prisons so they are spread out a bit more for a start, if he was radicalised in prison. I know people do find God in prison - Aitkin did. It fills the time and helps if you are trying to show you are on a new right path, but there does seem to be a problem in prison with conversion to radical Islam rather than C of E conversions causing similar problems.

This man not surprisingly was not on the list of 3000 the authorities are monitoring most carefully.

I am very glad Katie H and anyone else has rights to give their views. Censorship is a bad thing. I want to remain in a UK where I can say either there is no God or conversely God is Great.

This man was born in England. I think we need to know more about how he came do what he did to help us stop that happening again. (75 year old victim died over night now too in hospital)

Marina Hyde on KH in last night's Graun:

'To read Katie Hopkins is to know that she would have disagreed with the Enlightenment if she thought there was a Loose Women appearance in it. She writes like a not-very-bright sixth former trying to ape the prose style of Tony Parsons – no argument, just a portentous moodboard. Her Westminster article reads like a series of Google calendar reminders to herself. “Shots fired. An Asian man rushed to hospital. And I grew colder. And more tiny.”

Here she is on the rest of the country’s relationship with London: “We are taken under the cold water by this heavy right foot in the south, a city of lead …” Oof. Prose of lead. The concrete shoe of no verbs. Too many. Staccato sentences. Passing for gravitas. In fact, having performed a highly scientific linguistic analysis, I can confirm Katie uses fewer active verbs than even Tony Blair or John Keats. Presumably it’s because she really doesn’t have anywhere to go, philosophically. Still, were Katie on hand now, I expect she would retort that what we say is more important than how we say it. In fact, I know she would, because it wasn’t long ago that she said the diametric opposite. “The thing that would hurt me,” she told an interviewer, “is if people suggested that I was bad at writing.” '

article here

People read her and she makes money at it. She is not that bad at writing at all. I think we should usually debate ideas not attack people in life (and indeed on mumsnet)

What she said about his only validation that his dad was a bus driver?

I just do not get it why the hell does she feel he needs "validation" very very worrying imho. Khan is a proper London Gent...and yes...a muslim.

I wouldn't pay her to write for me and I would like her to be fined massively for such behaviour.

People used to blame single mothers for criminals, back in the 1980s it was single mother alone producing criminals. A crime committed was bound to be by a person from a broken home - so persecute single mothers and that will stop them being single and get rid of criminals, society has moved on and we have found another Scape goat in the shape of immigrants & Muslim.

Society would be better placed to stop blaming whole sections of society and concentrate on finding the root cause of why these radicals are becoming radicalised and how to prevent it. If prison is where this man was radicalised then that is an issue, along with why these men are being radicalised