Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

Read he was a bodybuilder too. Wonder if steroid abuse might have been a factor?

Suggestion he was a teacher too??

Wasn't one of the 7/7 bombers a teacher too?

I'm so sad for the families of those killed and for those injured too. It's bloody awful. Still, we can't let it change our lives, or even be scared, or the perpetrators have won.

My DH works with two other Muslim dentists and has a large majority of Muslim patients at one practice

A common theme in discussions is that they are deeply worried abot radicalisation and are aware that there is a silent minority who, at a minimum, do not condemn these attacks. As far as they are concerned, these are matters of fact that need tackling however, as one said yesterday "I wish do gooders would stop patronising us by denying this is the case. It does a huge disservice to moderate Muslims who are really worried about their kids being radicalised and actually want to speak out and do something about it". It's not helpful and they, certainly, see it as a form of virtue signalling and gas-lighting, almost. We need to engage with this.

Just read a great line on Reddit:

"We're British. They can take our lives, but they'll never take our apathy"

Agreed Gobbolino

Just watched it now. Can't disagree with a word that any one said, including the speeches by Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.

Also agree Gobbolino. The way that racism was tackled in this country was by making it absolutely socially unacceptable. I think when that starts to happen almost universally within their own communities radicalisation will start to fade.

It needs to be publicly viewed as the refuge of losers and failures to strip it of it's glamour and mystique.

'Teacher' can have a pretty broad meaning. No evidence of working in a state school or of any training.

sorry meant

it looks chilly for shorts

Lweji - I have thought some more about your last comment that we "shouldn't blame everyone for the acts of the few."

I don't believe that anyone on this thread has, have they? Would it not stop people reporting suspicious extremist Islamic activity, if it were to be implied that they were blaming all Muslims, when that is not the case?

As for the comments from several posters that we should not focus on the perpetrator being Muslim, and that we could give equal attention to him being male or from Kent. How disingenuous! How do you think our security services can profile against, and indeed prevent, Islamic Extremisim, without including being Muslim as one of the criteria? If we disregard the Islamic extremist element, how can a profile of attacks across Europe and the US be gathered, in order to identify the extent of the issue, and the instigators of attacks?

I wish we did live in a world where all that was needed to conquer terrorism was love, but in London, in turned out that three bullets were needed. What keeps the UK safe, and has prevented hundreds of planned attacks, is intelligence, reporting, and surveillance.

I do wish people would stop minimising terrorism, when the perpetrators are from a religious minority, when we have no such qualms about doing so when the terrorism is for other reasons.

Lweji - I have thought some more about your last comment that we "shouldn't blame everyone for the acts of the few."

I don't believe that anyone on this thread has, have they?

plenty of people on this thread like the Hopkins article (blaming the Muslim mayor, blaming multiculturalism). I don't think they represent the majority of posters and none seem to be able to support or explain Hopkin's argument, but they clearly exist.

That wouldn't matter so much if the 'clash of civilisations' theory wasn't currently guiding the White House.

This week a man went to New York with a sword and the clear aim of killing a black man and succeeded.

In January a fan of Trump and le Pen killed 6 people at a mosque.

Both might be disturbed individuals working alone but Trump has so far ignored both incidents.

Meanwhile, Fox News has been full of pundits, including Farage, using the Westminster attack to endorse the travel ban.

People are posting in that context and in response to the article.

We found out during the EU referendum that we aren't allowed to have difficult conversations should any more. Any concern about immigration numbers is quickly condemned as racist.

You drive down debate. But that debate has to happen.

There is a significant number in the Muslim community who have no desire to integrate and indeed cannot due to language problems, who view women as second class and Jewish people and gay people as something else again. We HAVE to start discussing this and working out ways to resolve or it will only get worse and we will be lighting candles for decades.

Adrian Elms wasn't a an immigrant though or 2 Nd or 3 Rd generation Muslim, he was a British born man who was a criminal for 30 years born in Kent

Should we do something about people from Kent integrating or moving from county to county to make the country safer

It was like this in Langley green in Crawley. Friends moved there and had lots of trouble. (Affectionately called Langleydesh)

I've told people about this and they haven't believed me because they've said they've been down Brick Lane for a curry or Colombia Rd for flowers and it's such a vibrant multicultural area. But I think sometimes just passing through an area just gives you an impression and you don't really get to see what's underneath and what people are actually thinking unless you spend some proper time there in the bits people who are passing through don't go to. Even in London there really are places where there is little integration or mixing and quite a lot of open hostility. Just because a lot of people don't find their way there doesn't mean they don't exist.

I am giggling here because when I moved to scotland it was quite friendly, but more recently since SNP took the pedestal I have had a fair bit of hostility (I sound english) People tell me that they have been on holiday here and it is fine makes me laugh.

What ivykaty said.

People are hijacking this to bang their drum about immigration. The guy wasn't an immigrant.

By the way... just because these places exist does not give anyone the right to blame all muslims for the acts of terrorism, but it is a sign we need to let the Muslim families that live here already mix with the rest of society first.

Sturgeon holier than thou stance is beyond a joke. She is like that because people don't come here. I worry actually that after all her soundbites of acceptance if all the english people go home, who will the next target be.

It's the same shouting down of any debate on difficult discussions. Any controversial subject can no longer be discussed did to the cries of "racism".

This is so wrong.

The attacker was British though

What ivykaty said.People are hijacking this to bang their drum about immigration. The guy wasn't an immigrant.

Who did that loukout.

Nikel have you ever been to Edinburgh. It's half full of English people.

Charlie did nikel.

I cannot abide most of what KH says.

I cannot abide most of what the DF says.

But there is an element of truth and reality running between the lines of what she's written here.