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Katie Hopkins

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notanothernamechangebabes · 23/03/2017 07:42

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

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SleepOhHowIMissYou · 23/03/2017 22:45

All I can offer as a solution is equality Ego.

Treat everyone the same. No soft or hard rascism. No lowered expectations or special circumstances.

ivykaty44 · 23/03/2017 22:48

EastMidsMummy

Nutters and thugs have always tried to disrupt liberal societies. The early 70s saw a spate of anarchist bombings and shootings in London. In 1999 a racist with a nailbomb killed three people and injured dozens in the West End. When I was a kid, it was the IRA bombing our cities. They were a fuckton better at it than this lot, too.

All of these fuckers are just alienated, psychotic cunts. This particular lot have been inspired by Islamist death cult ideology. Others have been inspired by Irish republicanism, animal rights or anarchism.

Katie Hopkins is a narcissistic racist.

Agree, i also grew up with IRA bombing London & Birmingham, it's a minority of nutters bombing the west so we turn against an entire religion and then the nutters have won by inciting the west's hatred. Hattie slopkins is an IS dream girl doing thier job for them

Count2three · 23/03/2017 22:48

Sleep Absolutely agree.

merrymouse · 23/03/2017 22:49

Two ways to fight terrorism are to increase intelligence gathering capabilities - diplomacy and cross border co-operation; and to starve terrorist organisations of funds.

Trump isn't interested in diplomacy and his business empires is based on making a quick buck while not asking too many questions.

The 'western alliance' needs to pull together to fight terrorism, but at the moment we seem to be going through a rough patch.

egosumquisum1 · 23/03/2017 22:49

Treat everyone the same. No soft or hard rascism. No lowered expectations or special circumstances

I don't think that will stop alienation.

Do you think the actions of people like Hopkins and the 'othering' by people like her, Trump, Farage et al as well as the Daily Mail in any way contributes to a sense of alienation and acts as a recruiting sergeant?

egosumquisum1 · 23/03/2017 22:51

Sleep Absolutely agree

Have you ever read Hopkin's columns, tweets and the DM? Have you noticed how they don't treat everyone equally and go out of their way to alienate and 'other' people?

Mo55chop5 · 23/03/2017 22:56

She is a "character", making money by noising people up and always going for the view that will get her the most attention.

And a complete cunt.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 23/03/2017 23:00

"Othering" is not unique to the far right though Ego. As I said earlier, by choosing (or following the religion chosen for you) you automatically become us and them. You believe one thing, they another. You (of course) are right and they (by default) are wrong. This counts equally for my own agnostic beliefs too.

The answer is tolerance, but tolerance is a two way street and if you cannot respect those with different beliefs to your own then you'll never see them as your equal.

GrommitsEarsHurt · 23/03/2017 23:01

I can only give my personal experience but, when I lived in big cities with a large, multicultural population, people of all ethnicities and beliefs seemed to be more integrated. The cities were too much of a melting pot for there to be much ghettoisation. And areseholes were arseholes, regardless of religion.

When I moved to West Yorkshire, I used to very patronisingly spout that problems with radical Islam, and support for ISIS, were not a huge problem, it was a minority of men, and I engaged in similar whattaboutary to many posters here. Then I was forced to wake up.

I nursed in a very large area, where there was supposedly a culture among young Islamic men, whose family originated from the Pakistani and ME areas, of going to Pakistan to ISIS training camps. I dismissed this as racist bollocks. Then I had it confirmed first hand by the Counter Terrorist Unit, having had the misfortune to have to report a patient, who gleefully showed me pictures of his son, who he had taken to the Pakistani mountains, dressed in the white bandana with red writing of the Islamist martyr. Posing with a Kalashnikov. At the age of four.

This man, and the other young, male Muslim patients, whose family originated in those areas, were otherwise actually otherwise really nice. If he had not shown me what he did, I would have had no idea as to his, and the other men's true feelings. They seemed like any other young Westernised men, however when young, male Muslim patients, from Pakistan or the ME were in common Ward areas, they all cheered ISIS and the 7/7 bombings, and left me in no doubt that they believed that white, non-Islamic people, were the infidel. I was apparently a second a second class citizen because I am female (though they rarely made this known to my face).

The CTU already had this chap on their watch list. They confirmed this trend in the area for going to ISIS training camps and coming back. They didn't arrest everyone who had been, as the small-fry at the bottom could lead them to the main instigators. Unfortunately, this meant that inevitably some slipped through.

There is a very real issue with radical Islamic sympathies in parts of this country. Particularly outside of large cities. To minimise the existence of these issues with whataboutary, is to undermine both our own security services intelligence, and their need for ongoing funds. It also allows the issues to escalate, within plain sight, and with no comeback. As people become afraid of discussing or reporting without being called a racist and illiberal.

As for what we do, I can only think of joining StoptheHate, reporting odd behaviour, and supporting our security services who work damn hard. I also think that accepting that such values and ISIS sympathies exist, is the first step in addressing why they exist here, and how to change them.

GrommitsEarsHurt · 23/03/2017 23:04
  • sorry, I only know about the Infidel and women being second class parts, as I overheard them talking on numerous occasions.
tiptoeingpixie · 23/03/2017 23:11

As the last life-blood of a police officer ran out across the cobbles, the attacker was being stretchered away in an attempt to save his life.

Apologies, I haven't read the whole thread but this??

How low? To get your pay check?

Vile person, wouldn't give her air time and there is NOTHING she could say to persuade me, In fact whatever her opinion, I'd go the opposite.

Deadsouls · 23/03/2017 23:17

*The patriots of the rest of England versus the liberals in this city. The endless tolerance to those who harm us, (while the Home Office tries to shift the focus of public fear to white terror) — versus the millions like me who face the truth, with worried families and hopeless hearts, who feel the country sinking.

We are taken under the cold water by this heavy right foot in the south, a city of lead, so desperately wedded to the multicultural illusion that it can only fight those who love the country the most, blame those who are most proud to be British, and shout racist at the 52%.*

This from the article. There are so many cringe embarrassing bits but this stood out. What is she on about? How did she manage to shoehorn Brexit into this? Talk about divisiveness. Is really saying it's patriots v. Liberals? I don't know what's going on in her strange worldview but it seems really warped.

Lweji · 23/03/2017 23:20

Grommits

I agree that some people need to be tackled in their beliefs and actions. We can't close our eyes to extremist views and radicalisation.

But we shouldn't go the other way either and blame everyone for the acts of a few.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 23/03/2017 23:29

Agreed tip

She could say Christmas is on the 25th of december and i would still have to check the calendar

GrommitsEarsHurt · 23/03/2017 23:32

Lweji, I agree completely. But sometimes, I think we have differing ideas over how many "the few" are. I know I did when I lived in cities further South, and was then suprised when I moved up here.

And it broke my heart a bit, because I was forced to review the liberal viewpoint of the few being the perpetrators plus a few loons around them. And this is just not true.

It certainly isn't everyone or even a majority. But the minority is bigger than you would think, or at least than I thought. The actions of the UK gov, post 9/11, certainly seems to have increased the numbers of "the few".

merrymouse · 23/03/2017 23:36

while the Home Office tries to shift the focus of public fear to white terror

Theresa May's home office?

The country is sinking?

It's as though she'd be happier if Remain had won and Corbyn were PM.

What is she worried about terrorism in Devon? Brexit?

GrommitsEarsHurt · 23/03/2017 23:42

KH is a complete "hate" personality.

On the bright side, her writing is absolute dross, so that mitigates her reach as most of us have no idea what she is trying to say.

hannashanoi · 23/03/2017 23:45

Why are we bringing the IRA into it. That was history, we all know what they did. Now it's muslims, condemn them for what they're doing without bringing past atrocities from other groups of people into it. It's unnecessary and in a way trivialising it. Islam is not a peaceful religion, say it for what it is ffs.

BillSykesDog · 23/03/2017 23:48

I'm not sure that's right Grommit about big cities. I grew up in a 'naice' area of London but moved to a flat on an almost entirely Bangladeshi council estate in Bethnal Green just over the road from the end of Brick Lane in 2000. This was pre September the 11th so there wasn't much public awareness of Muslim hostility towards westerners amongst the general public. I'd lived in other multicultural areas like Hackney and Southall without experiencing any problems before so I wasn't anticipating any problems and God it was a shock. Open hostility from day one. 'What are you doing here, this is a Muslim area, you shouldn't be living here, get out'. Open disapproval of my clothes or if I bought alcohol. Not the tiniest bit of warmth or friendliness from neighbours, never even meeting your eye let alone nodding or saying hello. There was a Muslim prayer shop around the corner with loud speakers which played mainly aggressive sounding Arabic rants but also sometimes played Louis Farrakhan's rants about the white man being a cancer which needs to be ground out from under your foot, driven out and exterminated. If they were prepared to play that in English goodness only knows what they were playing in Arabic. I actually had to change doctors because the staff at one I went to were openly hostile and refused to give me test results and would always make white people wait until last at walk in clinics even if they'd arrived first. I swapped doctors and even the doctor at the new clinic said they were aware of the issue and had a number of patients who'd swapped because of the same thing.

I've told people about this and they haven't believed me because they've said they've been down Brick Lane for a curry or Colombia Rd for flowers and it's such a vibrant multicultural area. But I think sometimes just passing through an area just gives you an impression and you don't really get to see what's underneath and what people are actually thinking unless you spend some proper time there in the bits people who are passing through don't go to. Even in London there really are places where there is little integration or mixing and quite a lot of open hostility. Just because a lot of people don't find their way there doesn't mean they don't exist.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/03/2017 23:54

I gave up half way through. I have no idea what she was on about. What struck me was a report on radio 4 tonight referencing the point that at least 10 different nationalities were affected by the attack. This was an attack on us all.

London is a city of the world. I love London. I live in Scotland but I love visiting London. I'm very saddened by this but it is not the end of anything.

merrymouse · 24/03/2017 00:03

The attacker was a convert whose birth name was Adrian. He had a history of criminality going back to the eighties.

AvaCrowder · 24/03/2017 00:03

Billsykesdog I lived on Hanbury Lane about twenty years ago, got hissed at, going to the big Sainsburys on the Whitechapel Road. I was quite bold though.

I think kh is wrong. It's not a daily thing for starters. I think she is a shit stirrer and I don't like that. People can live side by side, learn from each other and have a better experience.

WhatWouldKeanuDo · 24/03/2017 00:04

Watching Andrew Neil , This Week. Anyone else?

GrommitsEarsHurt · 24/03/2017 00:08

Goodness BillSykesDog that sounds like a threatening environment to live in. I guess I make the distinction between pre and post 9/11 as that is when I moved Oop North.

Just before that, I shared a house with my best mate who happened to be a gay Muslim lad. He opened my eyes to a lot regarding the racism he had to deal with, so when I moved to Yorkshire, I thought everyone spouting the slightest generalisation about radical Islam was a huge racist. But I soon learnt that going too far the other way wasn't the truth either, and that racism towards white people was A Thing.

Which is my long winded way of saying I believe you completely.

I learned that the Muslim people I largely came into contact with were pro-integration and were peaceful and non-radical and It wasn't until I was nursing that I experienced more radical Islam. Because people who support radical elements of Islam don't tend to mix, live or work outside their own communities, so when would we ever be in contact? Turns out, in hospital!

People need to wake up to the truth being in the middle, and it exists regardless of your politics or what you would like the UK to be.

merrymouse · 24/03/2017 00:24

Security services are telling papers that they think he converted to Islam in prison.

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