Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

We need unity against Islamists for a start. Katie Hopkins is a disgrace of a human being but she is not the problem. An Islamist indiscriminately murdered yesterday, inspired by a death cult that wants to destroy our way of life. That is the problem; recognise that Islamic fascism seeks to destroy us. Then there's the far right flexing their muscles. We must unite against both.

I agree with her 100%

I also find it odd that my FB feed is strangely quiet today. Other terror attacks it's been, change photo, light a candle, put a hash tag status on etc etc. Nothing today. Nothing. Particularly odd given most of my friends are London living people. What is it they're afraid of? Admitting that their city is unsafe? Admitting that actually, no, it's not acceptable to have to deal with it as 'part and parcel' of living in a big city. What a cop out. It should never be acceptable.

Katie - please carry on. You're the only one speaking sense at the minute.

How do we unite against them?

Deadsouls It was Hitch, Dawkins has more to say on Christianity. See also Sam Harris.

But when people cannot even bring themselves to acknowledge there is a very dangerous minority who are solely to blame, we're doomed

I don't think much information has been released, but I haven't seen anybody denying that he was a Muslim and ISIS have claimed responsibility.

On the other hand the current US president campaigned on banning Muslims and idiots like Katie Hopkins, Farage, Banks, le Penn are happily contributing to the ISIS recruitment campaign.

There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. It's quite possible to have different opinions on different groups of Muslims. I think Donald Trump and many of his supporters are numpties, but I don't blame all Americans for Trump.

It fits some peoples' agenda to claim that Muslims get special treatment, but May is prime minister, not Corbyn.

How do we unite against them

Fucked if I know

Fucked if I know

Just like Hopkins. Except she gets paid a lot of money to say that things are bad. She just generalises a lot more and makes things worse.

Katie - please carry on. You're the only one speaking sense at the minute.

No, Katie is cluelessly spouting gibberish in the hope of getting the big TV job in America.

Since when did Facebook candles mean anything?

London is no less safe than it was during the 1990's, more safe than in the early 1940's and certainly more safe than before we had street lighting and police.

It's a good deal more safe than all the American cities where anybody can buy a gun from a supermarket.

Katie - please carry on. You're the only one speaking sense at the minute

What sense is she talking?

I'm appalled she gets any airtime. She's a complete narc and purely in it to garner publicity. I can't express how much I loathe her.

It should never be acceptable

London is a very safe city. How many people have been killed by terrorist acts in London over the years?

The chances of being involved in a terrorist act in the UK are tiny.

More people are killed by the cars we use and the pollution they cause.

More people will die as a result of climate change.

Lweji, just to be clear, you mentioned the discussion on ginger people, are you infering that I am a rascist?

If you are, then you've understood nothing that I've said.

count2three

Thanks. I had a feeling it was Hitch. I need to re-read

Well said merrymouse

Personally I think for one thing it's a really badly written article. Full of sentimentality and hyperbole. But Hopkins is writing what I suppose is a popular viewpoint for readers of the Daily Fail. I'm sure there's quite a few, (more than a view), who agree with and like her viewpoints. It's very simplistic though, it seems to me. Not very intelligent and certainly doesn't persuade me in any of her arguments. Now if it were written by someone of the calibre of Christopher Hitchins (no longer with us) or Chomsky I might take it seriously. I wonder what Chomsky makes of the rise of Islamic extremism. Now that would be interesting.

Lweji, just to be clear, you mentioned the discussion on ginger people, are you infering that I am a rascist?

Dear God, of course not.
Someone said that attitudes towards gingers were racist, which they're not because ginger was not a race. The same as being Muslim.

merrymouse
I absolutely concur with your points. When I was growing up the threat of the IRA was very present in everyday life and culture.

Has Owen Jones made a statement yet?

What do people on the extreme right like rent a gob Katie Hopkins want anyway?

They've got their Brexit to supposedly control our borders.

Theresa May implemented tough measures to control immigration: You cant import a spouse easily anymore. Therefore people of various cultures have stopped expecting/ encouraging their kids to marry from 'back home' because the law has made it so difficult. I've seen it alot and as an Asian I do believe the reduction of imported spouses will aid integration. It's also better for the youth as alot of my friends from other cultures were co-erced into marrying people from abroad that they had little in common with. With the change in the law this problematic practice has been reduced significantly.

We didnt even accept many refugees.

Madressas and faith schools will be subected to regular ofsted checks and they now teach about Britishness specifically, even though most students already act 'British.'

Kids are being flagged up in schools if they show signs of extremism. Extremists can even have their kids removed.

Tories may not be popular but they've made lots of changes.

What more do they want?

Merrymouse Agreed.

"London is a very safe city. How many people have been killed by terrorist acts in London over the years?"

Much less thanks to our excellent intelligence service.

"The chances of being involved in a terrorist act in the UK are tiny. "

Thankfully so. There was a report of how many attacks the intelligence service had foiled which shouldn't be too hard to find.

"More people are killed by the cars we use and the pollution they cause."

It is a shame more is not done to finance alternative fuels. Engines can be adapted to run on vegetable oil and the UK could become self sufficient and not beholden to the overseas oil industry. Burning vegetable oil will still cause pollution though.

"More people will die as a result of climate change."

Then perhaps people need to work together rather than following bigoted ideology that divides?

However, putting forward a straw man climate change argument does not solve the problems of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism does it?

SeetheGood I think history has shown us what the extreme right want, unfortunately. I wouldn't put Hopkins quite in that bracket though.

However, putting forward a straw man climate change argument does not solve the problems of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism does it

No straw man here. But I would argue that climate change is a far bigger threat to humanity than Islamic fundamental terrorism. Many more will die from that than terrorism.

As you pointed out, we seem to be doing a lot right to tackle it and are foiling a lot of plots. Yet people still say 'we must do something about it'. No one seems to know what else to do - apart from 'lock up potential terrorists'

I suspect you can't offer any ideas though. Just slogans and statements?

Lweji the dislike of ginger hair is a relic from the historic dislike of Scottish and Irish people (who are stereotyped with red hair). The equivalent is disliking brown skinned people, which is most definitely rascist. Red hair is a physical characteristic associated with a race of people, it's not a belief system like Islam, therefore not comparative.

what is it they're afraid of? Admitting that their city is unsafe? Admitting that actually, no, it's not acceptable to have to deal with it as 'part and parcel' of living in a big city. What a cop out. It should never be acceptable.

Massive assumptions here about what may or may not be going through the heads of your FB friends who live in London. This are your thoughts. If you're referring to the article that Trump's son took umbrage at, I think you're taking Khan's comments out of context. Terrorists will target areas where they will make the most impact and where there are higher concentrations of people. It's the IRA did in the 70s, 80s and 90s. I don't think stating the reality is commensurate with saying it has to be accepted as a way of life. Acceptable might not be the appropriate word, I don't think, in this case. Of course, it's not acceptable.