Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

But...we can't take the fact that it was a Muslim (rooted in an ideology/a religious viewpoint) act of violence, out of the equation

What else do we put into the equation?
Young man
Disaffected?
Easily influenced?
Radicalised?

Saying it was a Muslim is a very simplistic argument. When someone carries out an act of terror, there are a lot of other factors to consider and take into account.

How do you tell the difference between terrorists and coups, terrorists and violent individuals? What is a a terrorist incident? If people share the same religion (the British isles are theoretically Christian), is the problem religion or politics?

Even if most terrorist incidents involve Muslims, does that have anything to do with my friend in the UK who happens to be Muslim?

If a lot of terrorism involves Muslims, but most Muslims are victims, not terrorists, don't we have something in common? Shouldn't we be working together?

Worth reading in the context of this thread
two war correspondents described the astonishing extent and toll of recent U.S. military strikes in Iraq, Syria and Yemen
theintercept.com/2017/03/22/war-correspondents-describe-recent-u-s-airstrikes-in-iraq-syria-and-yemen/

Even if most terrorist incidents involve Muslims,

But that's mostly because most acts carried out by Muslims are classified as terrorism.
By white men not so much.

I want people to be arrested because there is evidence that they have been planning to commit or have committed a criminal act , left wing liberal that I am .

Just clicked on the KH link, Katie - if you are reading I truly hope you are able to rinse as much extra money as you can out of this awful event as soon as possible so you can pay your rather large legal bill sooner rather than later. I then pray that from somewhere you manage to find the compassion to at least spare us from your CSE level English and emotive, manipulative bullshit for a while. There are 1.5 billion muslims in the world. If a large amount of them wanted a large amount of us representatives of the western world dead then am sure they would be making a good go of it on a daily basis!

Idiot!

Lweji you could argue that most of the civillians killed in Yemen , have actually been killed by other muslims ? the same goes for Syria and Iraq as well . I could be wrong though .

I are with this totally

hanna exactly! I think some posters would benefit from reading some of Majid Nawaaz's ideas (a former Islamic extremist). The regressive left show bigotry of low expectations. The Islamist minorities are not expected to behave in a civilised way, which equates to a form of prejudice in itself. It is hypocrisy of the highest order: they (the regressives) refuse to accept and confront bigotry shown by some minorities for the sake of political correctness. Other groups/religions are expected to show more restraint.

I have read this and it is a very good read.

Agree not are

frumpet

Sure. Because there are wars and Muslim groups have often been at war with one another.

But what do you call killing civilians indiscriminately by a "so-called" but self denominated Cristian government?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/anti-immigrant-politicians-link-london-attack-migrant-policy?CMP=share_btn_tw

Right wing politicians blame terrorism on immigration policy.

I don't think there is much information about the attacker's background, but most Muslims in France and the UK have family who came from ex colonies.

Many terrorists were radicalised in the U.K.and some are converts.

Plenty of people become radicalised in prison. Its just not necessary to go abroad to find easily influenced criminally inclined people looking for a cause.

Lweji I do not support anything that causes death to civilians , regardless of where the perpetrator orginates from . I just think that currently the biggest single threat to Muslims worldwide comes from other Muslims . And that surely supports the point that being a Muslim doesn't mean you are part of some homogenous mass ?

Do you think people who have come to the attention of the security services because they might be extremists should be arrested and detained without trial?

Yes where there is strong evidence and where the terrorist would get off on a technicality on trail.
eg. there was strong evidence linking hamza to a yemen terrorist attack that killed 3 brits. But because evidence was from yemeni sources he could not stand trail in the UK.

Maybe sent to an internment camp?

Guantamo bay is a very good idea. I hope Trump can stop it closing.

Apparently she has a net worth of about £2,500,000. She's not going to struggle to pay that legal bill in the same way most would.

She'll probably just write an article about it and recover the costs 😡

I'm not a fan of Katie Hopkins, but I might listen to her if she followed through with her promise threat to move to the USA if Trump won.
She hasn't so I think she's full of hot air..

Rounding up people and shoving them in prison without due process is what happens in dictatorships.

Shoving people in prison without due process also turns them into martyrs.

Democracy depends on a free press (even Hopkins) and the objective rule of law.

Guantamo bay is a very good idea. I hope Trump can stop it closing

Some people would say that internment is a recruiting sergeant. Does that worry you?

And that surely supports the point that being a Muslim doesn't mean you are part of some homogenous mass ?

Indeed.

Trump is currently playing in lorries while his 'beautiful' health care bill either fails (seems likely at the moment) or passes and leaves millions of Trump voters without healthcare.

He cares as much about Guantanamo or any any other political policy as he did about Trump Vodka or Trump university i.e. Not at all. He just wants to be on TV.

Guantamo bay is a very good idea

It's a good idea when it's for others. Not so good if you're mistaken by a terrorist and don't need evidence to be locked up.

There seems to be a formula with terrorist attacks. Here is the protocol for the regressive left.

1. Attack is reported. Everyone pretends they don't know the perpetrator is an Islamist.
2. Regressive left prays it's a white supremacist/Christian/insert other
3. Fake shock as it's reported it could be the result of Islamist terrorist.
4. Outpouring of grief for the victims.
5. Frenzied detachment from Islam: it's a religion of peace, nothing to do with Muslims etc.
6. Remind people that Islamophobia is the most important threat here.
7. Desperately search for anything bad that a Christian had ever done.
8. Remind people that terrorism is part of living in a big city.
9. Wait until the next non-Islamist terror attack and repeat.

Sorry, between 4 and 5 should be: stick a flag on Facebook.

During WW2, Japanese people and Japanese Americans were interned in camps. Germans were interned on the Isle of Man.

www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/

There was also internment in NI. History has a lot to say about that as well.

Detention without trial.

There seems to be a formula with terrorist attacks. Here is the protocol for the regressive left

There is a predicable reaction from all people.

But no solutions. Because sniping is easy to do. Criticising is easy. Blaming is easy.

There's also a formula for the alt-right.

Terrorist attack happens.

1 - immediately assume it was by a Muslim before knowing who it was.
2 - always and only add Muslim to the description of the usually male terrorist
3 - blame all Muslims
4 - ask why the Muslim community doesn't condemn them (even though it does and did)
5 - make all Muslims responsible for the acts of a few people
6 - call for something to be done
7 - call for border closing,even though the terrorists were local
8 - call for a ban on anything Muslim
9 - blame the left
10 - mention at some point they they're not racist and that they have Muslim friends. Or they they have seen some Muslims saying bad things about whites.
11 - say I told you that not arresting every Muslim that as much as looks at a white person in a funny way was a bad idea
I think that covers most of it.