Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

wrt supporting / condemning terrorists:

For many years, NI Catholics have voted overwhlemingly for Sinn Fein, the political wing of IRA terrorists
This is after the Troubles and about 3,000 dead, most of the murdered by the IRA.
Plenty of good decent Catholic / Nationalist politicians in the SDLP who support peaceful change, but they don't get the votes.

So there does seem to be double standards demanding that all Muslims condemn terrorists, while ignoring the fact that most NI Catholics still vote for the terrorists' political wing.

btw, Trump was fundraising for Sinn Fein while the IRA were bombing London.
He's a bloody hypocrite

There has also been no reformation. This is desperately needed and it needs to come from the more moderate Muslims.

Yes, but they won't speak up will they (due to fear?) which is why the situation is getting worse. It has to change from within but that's not likely to happen is it? I dread to think what it is going to be like in the UK in years to come..

merrymouse-People who join Isis is just accidents of history and geography

You've only got to look at the actions of disaffected men in many countries with access to weapons and who want power and control. History tells us that.

When have the SNP excused / denied concentration camps ?
Excused the Holocaust
Ridiculous comoarison

"Politician you dislike" does NOT equal "fascist"
I thought that childishess disappeared after uni

If you want to be taken seriously by Scottish voters, ot any others, then try adult arguments.
The economic plans for Independence look very suspect - that's the big weakness of the SNP: the likely economic crash after Indy.

It must fuck up some people's minds to say that Muslims should be allowed to buy guns and at the same time say 'Muslims are potential terrorists' when home grown terror happens.

Apparently Trump's 3 pronged terrorism strategy is

1. make it easier to buy guns.
2. weaken the foreign corrupt practices act (why get in the way of organised crime and money laundering when you can make a quick buck putting the Trump name on a hotel in the middle of nowhere that will never open?).
3. alienate countries and people who are vital to intelligence operations.

So...what's the answer? Is this what we've to look forward to for the foreseeable future?

calli No. There is fear and also a deep conservatism within even the more moderate community. But it can't be imposed from outside. I despair. Quilliam, the counter extremist think tank - their methods offer some optimism though.

Explain how the SNP are fascist please?

The economic plans for Independence look very suspect - that's the big weakness of the SNP: the likely economic crash after Indy.

I agree. The fact that there is a large fascist element also puts me off though.

Sodomy (which is what the Quranconsiders sin, not homosexuality) has been considered a sin throughout the jewish/christian/islamic tradition

Yes, the clue is in the name.

The whole story of Lot and his wife and daughters is bat shit crazy and nasty, but there it is, in the bible.

Agree with Katie for once

From NI, harsh measures - e.g. internment, the 5 techniques (torture), shoot-to-kill, Bloody Sunday - just gifted thousands of recruits to the IRA.

It may not be satisfying emotionally, but good steady policework and intelligence work, plus trying to win hearts and minds of the disaffected young, is the answer to terrorism.

The 21st century terrorist upsurge is because those "wars for oil" removed the socialist secular leaders (dictators) and completely destablised the whole region.
That was US conservatives (Bush) and centre-left UK (Blair, but supported by the Tories) who screwed up massively.
The nihilist terrorists moved into the vacuum, in Iraq first
Then they spread their hate.

There are distinctions between Christianity and Islam.
Yes.

Christianity has a hierarchical structure
? Some forms of Christianity, as most human organisations.

and has also undergone a reformation. The New Testament was a new covenant
Yes. You didn't mean to say the New Testament was a reformation?
What do you think reformation was? Why do you mention it here as statement without any qualification? The Reformation was not a change in Christianity. It was a split. Just like others before. Are you aware of them?

and they tend not to pay attention to all the nastiness of the Old Testament. Notice there has been an absence of crusades recently?
What? Are they supposed to be linked?

True that much of the Old Testament has been overlooked or superseded. But the 10 Commandments are still important, and the basis for what is considered a sin. As well as other aspects.

You may notice that many Christian groups do take the Bible literally, right up to the 7 days of Creation. :)

The reformation saw that it needed to change.
Yes, but the Catholic Church underwent something called Counter-Reformation.

We tend to not see Christians invading other countries in the name of religion any more.
Clue in "anymore".

The bible is also largely seen as the inspired word of God.
And by many as the literal word of God.

Islam is the final revelation, it supersedes all other religions.
So does Christianity. And Judeism. For their followers. :)

It is the perfect, divine word of God and there shall be no challenging of the perfect Koran.
So does the Torah and Bible for some followers.

There is some nasty stuff in there and Muhammad was a war lord.
And in the Bible, as God leading the way of armies*

Extremists follow it to the T.
Most extremists in every corner tend to follow their rule book to a T.

Isis take the Koran absolutely literally, believing themselves to be the only true Muslims. They reject more tolerant minorities, such as the Ahmadi's, as infidels.
And? Are you saying there are more tolerant groups within Islam? Aren't you contradicting yourself?

There has been no reformation and there is no recognised hierarchical structure to offer authoritative rules to govern Muslims.
There have been splits as for Christians. Christianity also doesn't fall under one authoritative figure.

There has also been no reformation. This is desperately needed and it needs to come from the more moderate Muslims. But the more dangerous elements of Islam, such as Jihad, is a central tenant of the perfect religion.

You're repeating yourself there.
I really don't see what you expect. There are moderate Muslims. There are moderate Muslim groups. There are extremist groups. There are political/violent groups that adopt Islam for their purposes.
The same happens and has happened for most religions, including Christianity.

You should also look at Jihad and the different meanings it can take and how it's interpreted by various groups.

Yes, but they won't speak up will they (due to fear?) which is why the situation is getting worse. It has to change from within but that's not likely to happen is it? I dread to think what it is going to be like in the UK in years to come..

How many people speak up against racism or xenophobia? Even today there was a thread about a woman who didn't challenge her friend's day to day racist comment.

How many of us challenge our families and friends?

Does our society challenge every bombing of innocents? Look at how the first Trump raid in Yemen was taken.
How many that call for Muslim wide condemnation of terrorist attacks have condemn that raid that killed children and civilians?

Can I just ask those people who agree with Katie 2 things?

1. What do you agree with?

2. Do you have any solutions?

My family live in Yorkshire, in a part where there are a LOT of racial tensions. I've been called a whore and a white bitch just walking down the street there.

As a consequence of which my cousins and one of my uncles have some racist views. I argue with them NONSTOP over it, when I see them. So yes, lots of people do call others out on it, I'm sure of that.

Yes my view is that you need to help the disenfranchised to prevent terrorism,

In response to why are the SNP fascist. I have already provided you with plenty of reading material.
I'll give you a link to their lauded poet, so you can read the joys

Hugh Macdairmid encapsulates the values of the SNP and is their much lauded poet. Exert from Wikipedia here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_MacDiarmid

They even wear the little white rose in parliament to remember him bless them

I think it's easy for some people to fear others if you don't know them or understand them.

I know in some divided parts of the world - such as Israel and the Occupied territories, there are real steps to bridge that divide and break down barriers such as shared school activities. I think that's happened in NI as well - but I am sure people who live there know more.

We need less barriers and more bridges.

Lweji
Is there an extremist faction of the C. of E. or The Church of Scotland?

I live in London. I 100%, totally agree with her.
It needs to stop.

Me too, i have lived in London all my life.

Sadly London has fallen to radical islam, like Khan said a few months ago Terrorism is now part and parcel of living in London.
He basically told us we must bend over and accept it as a normal way of life now.

Trump is our only hope. He has vowed to wipe ISIS off the face off the earth. The gloves need to come off. We have to pray he succeeds.

We tend to not see Christians invading other countries in the name of religion any more.

I suspect that people living in the many countries that were colonised and pulled apart by Western Europeans during the 20th century couldn't really care less why they were invaded by people who happened to have bibles. They just know that they were.

The reality is that, whether or not they were driven by religion, Europeans believed that other races were inferior, and people alive today still remember western imperialism.

Take the kind of bile that Katie Hopkins spouts, add poverty, an increased sense of grievance (real or imagined) lack of prospects, a bit of every day thuggish violence and criminality and you get terrorists.

Trump is our only hope. He has vowed to wipe ISIS off the face off the earth. The gloves need to come off. We have to pray he succeed

And that will only cause a new form of terrorism to arise from the ashes. Hate exists. How do you destroy an ideology?

errorism is now part and parcel of living in London

Terrorism has always been a part of living in a major world city. As long as terrorists exist, cities like London will be a target.

Terrorism is now part and parcel of living in London.

Khan said that people needed to be vigilant.

I have no idea how old you are but while Islamic terrorism is fairly new, terrorism has been part of London life for a long, long time.

southall

How do you think the Yemen raid went then? All those civillians killed by US soldiers?

Do you think that ISIS would use that as propaganda? "Look how the West hates Muslims, they hate you, they don't like you, fight back and make them pay for the blood they spill?" How do you think radicalisation works?

I don't support racism in any way.

I also lived in the south of England for a long time.

I can see why it is easy for Sturgeon to preach about tolerance (towards anyone who isn't English), when nobody wants to come here.