Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

Wahabbi Islam is imported from Saudi and the like.

Ah, a specific part of Islam. Not all of Islam. Interesting.

How does the New Testament supercede the Old, then? It depends on the clergyman delivering the message. The Bible is interpreted by the priest or vicar. The Koran is interpreted by the imam in the mosque.

You should know full well that conservative Islam is not the same as what most Muslim families follow

Well the 52% of uk muslims who want to make homo sexuality illegal sound pretty conservative to me.

I am also horrified, and weirdly upset as a Londoner

I love Sadiq, and what my city stands for her and I resent her wading in over the work of 1 fucking nutter

she is a fucking hate preacher

lweji I think you need to light a candle and sing a song.

I would like to ban faith schools and close down extremist mosques.

We have to accept we have a real problem when second and third generation men want to run people down with a car. I will try to love them, really I will, but it might be a little tricky. Any tips?

That poor soul in Glasgow was murdered by a another Muslim because he was speaking out about how he felt as a Muslim in Scotland, how happy he was, poor man paid with his life for his common sense and his freedom of speech , that is why normal Muslims are quiet, they are frightened.

I have a 13 year old Muslim grandson.
I don't think there is any possibility he will become radicalised as he lives in a successful multicultural area and is a member of a supportive multicultural family.
I am British and It shames me that he is exposed to all the crap ignorant, bigoted British people spout about Muslims.
I can see how easily other people in his position could be radicalised.
People like KH are playing into the terrorists' hands.

Well the 52% of uk muslims who want to make homo sexuality illegal sound pretty conservative to me.

You know what they say about polls...

Interesting article by a gay muslim man

"I’m hardly surprised that 52 per cent don’t think homosexuality should be legal. They simply haven't had the time and space to evolve their thinking."

www.independent.co.uk/voices/as-a-gay-british-muslim-this-is-what-i-think-of-the-survey-finding-over-half-of-british-muslims-want-a6978881.html

No Southall ...that would be the 52% of Muslims they spoke to....it could be 100 people. Funny thing about statistics is that sample sizes matter as do how questions are worded.

Lweji - Love? Really? You think that the way to convince people not to drive speeding cars into unarmed pedestrians (because it's funny how the ISIS acclaimed "soldiers of allah" only seem to succeed against that kind of enemy) is love?

Perhaps in the long term or an ideal world, sure, but how is that going to change the very real and present imminent danger of attacks all over the world? If an ostrich leaves its head in the sand for too long, sooner or later something is going to bite it on the bent-over arse!

Are you saying that things should continue as they are, because it's only a small proportion of Muslims who have extreme views, and some white people also have extreme views? If that is what you think, you're entitled to do so, but it's not really a constructive solution to trying to dispel the messages of hatred IMO. If I have misunderstood you, what do you see as the solution?

Well the 52% of uk muslims who want to make homo sexuality illegal sound pretty conservative to me

Have you got a source for that research that is a fair survey carried out without bias and not been discredited by More or Less and is reflective of the views of the Muslim population in the UK?

Or are you just one of those posters which regularly posts 'statistics' about a group based on dodgy surveys?

That poor soul in Glasgow was murdered by a another Muslim because he was speaking out about how he felt as a Muslim in Scotland, how happy he was, poor man paid with his life for his common sense and his freedom of speech , that is why normal Muslims are quiet, they are frightened.

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The latter i think

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Have you got a source for that research that is a fair survey carried out without bias

ICM conducted face-to-face, at-home interviews with a representative sample of 1,000 Muslims across the UK between 25 April and 31 May 2015. A control sample of 1,008 people representative of the country as a whole were interviewed over the phone to provide a comparison.

lweji I think you need to light a candle and sing a song.

I would like to ban faith schools and close down extremist mosques.

For some reason I think candles and songs would do better than closing faith schools and mosques.

We have to accept we have a real problem when second and third generation men want to run people down with a car. I will try to love them, really I will, but it might be a little tricky. Any tips?

a) a real problem? One man tried this among millions. Every week men kill 2 current or former female partners. That IS a real problem.

b) I might look at mental health provisions and enforcement.

c) tips on "loving your enemy"? Forgive them first. Pray for them next. Offer sympathy to their families.

ICM conducted face-to-face, at-home interviews with a representative sample of 1,000 Muslims across the UK between 25 April and 31 May 2015

Do you know how they found Muslim people?

They went to areas with high Muslim populations so they could find Muslims.

Can you see the bias creeping in?

You think that the way to convince people not to drive speeding cars into unarmed pedestrians (because it's funny how the ISIS acclaimed "soldiers of allah" only seem to succeed against that kind of enemy) is love?

How many people do you think you need to convince?

How many people do you think you need to convince that violence is not the way? How many people are killed by violence in the UK?

And, yes.

Can you see the bias creeping in?

It also depends on how the questions are made.

One man among millions yesterday. The media is now reporting a second has just tried the exact same thing the very next day. One day they'll try it with a nuclear power plant or a drone carrying chemicals, if they ever get the chance.

Whatever the minuscule percentage of believers in evil, it remains a very real problem!

I think this the crux - liberals think this is ok. 13 attacks prevented by M15 this last year. Attacks in Europe what - every month pretty much?

It's not ok. Really it isn't. And it won't get better.

I think I might light a candle tonight for our children - all of them, of all faiths - for the right mess the generations before got them into.

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Yes, it does. No one would deny that.

But where do we go from that statement?

We know the problem.

I think we do live in a bubble sadly, as shown by the brexit shock result and the maps where London and Scotland were dominated by remain votes and the rest of England a very different story.

I think Katie Hopkins is only slightly more extreme than a huge amount of people's attitudes.

However by listening to her it's easy to dismiss the massive step further right that politics has taken on the grounds that its extremist nonsense. We can no longer dismiss such extreme right views as 'not worth engaging with', as it's by lefties and liberals failure to engage that has left us with this unexpected surge to the right in the first place (as much as I hate to say it).

Ugh. Politics at the moment is pretty bloody depressing.

This demonstrates part of the issue. People like Katie Hopkins can't speak for everyone, but she does speak for some.

What I find depressing is the divisive need to classify everyone in some way. Hopkins is an offender - she is trying to link Brexit to this terror attack and make the EU somehow at fault.

Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

I voted for Brexit. I am to the left of a lot of people - I am a supporter of Dennis Skinner and the late Tony Benn.

I find Hopkins and all of her views abhorrent and I wish people would stop buying the Daily Hate.

So I don't fit the in/out of London , young/old, educated/not etc cosy groupings - and you know what? Neither do a lot of people.

It's not surprising that there have been similar attempts. Are you aware of the copycat effect? Which is why suicides are rarely reported?

BTW. 2015: 574 homicides in England and Wales

Now, that is a problem.

I think this the crux - liberals think this is ok.

It's not OK. No violence is OK.

What is not OK is to tar all Muslims with this violence.