Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

BillSykes I'm not saying mosques need to be monitored or bugged. What I am saying is if there "is" jihad and hate talk preached then this should be monitored? We've all seen the guy with the hook, Amza and his like. Appalling people who did preach concerning beliefs and did incite hatred.

A friend of mine did a degree at a certain university in London recently. She said the conversations in the common room would turn your stomach - young mostly British men openly saying that westerners were scum and deserved everything they got, laughing about terrorist acts online, etc. These views need to be changed! Sadly Apple your're wasting your breath here. What you said never happened.

52 percent of british muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal

She's right though. And the "far right" are the ones running over people on Westminster Bridge and stabbing policemen (aka ISIS), not the ones who write articles you don't agree with (but can debate with) and can choose not to read

Oh, i thought the 'far right' were the ones murdering MPs in cold blood on the street in broad daylight.

What percentage of British Catholics or jw's feel the same?

squishy re sharia law. I used to work for a solicitors where men and women (more women) would sometimes ring us and ask what to do eg re divorce but then say they were Muslim so did they have to follow sharia law or UK law? We of course put them right and said UK law.

But if mosques etc preach sharia law and dismiss UK law when it comes to marriage especially to a culture where some of them don't speak much English then of course they will follow sharia law as opposed to UK law, or not know how UK law works. That is worrying and leads to women being oppressed.

But if the communities made it absolutely clear that those views are wrong, if those disaffected young men heard that said by people they respect, it might help.

Well, my muslim friends have publicly condemned the attacks. Community leaders have too.

"London attack: Muslim Council of Britain condemns Westminster terror attack" - Evening Standard

"Moments after the attack, British-Muslim Muddassar Ahmed started a LaunchGood crowdfunding campaign to raise funds for the families of those affected." About Islam

"Muslims worldwide shared their prayers on social media, condemning all terrorist attacks." About Islam
aboutislam.net/muslim-issues/europe/how-muslims-reacted-to-london-attack/

On Youtube

Then you have EDL leader preaching hate at the site.
"'Far-right figures like Tommy Robinson are vile opportunists: using victims of today's attack to spread their anti-Muslim message,' says critic" - I agree
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-london-terror-attack-islamic-extremism-westminster-bridge-a7644676.html

It's not fair to suggest Katie H does not think of the victims. Her article says "Now I feel only sadness, overwhelming sadness."

Every time something like this happens, i bet she runs her hands together with glee as it means she gets to write another hateful article that will launch her even further into the spotlight. Of course she has to pay lip service to the victims in her articles, but she is far more bothered with stoking the flames that will keep her career going.

A friend of mine did a degree at a certain university in London recently. She said the conversations in the common room would turn your stomach - young mostly British men openly saying that westerners were scum and deserved everything they got, laughing about terrorist acts online, etc. These views need to be changed!

Yes, it's there and it's growing and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. Whilst the muslim community keeps shtum about it (through fear of reprisal??) we all wait for the next attack and no doubt these will continue to grow. We can condemn the acts, we can show unity, light candles etc. but nothing will change. This is what KH is referring to (and I don't normally agree with her) - it's a sad, hopeless situation.

But it is being monitored. And the security services are doing a brilliant job which has prevented many, many attacks. This is why Hopkins article is wrong. She is arguing that something must be done, but it is being done and the overwhelming majority of the time it works too. Which is why we are so much safer than mainland Europe.

I hate her criticism of khan. He is very quick to speak out about hatred and division. I don't vote labour, but I think he is a good man.

He spoke out about the ideology of the SNP and I really appreciated that.

She is forgetting that much of the radicalisation has taken place in this country. Places like Finsbury park mosque in the 90s.

Stupid woman.

and of course your not allowed to criticise islam its the only ideology your not allowed to criticise because then your Islamophobic which is bad because your not allowed to criticise them becauseit hurts muslims feelings but of course they call you islamaphobic not mulsimaphobic wierd of it really was about muslims youd call it muslimaphobic surely but the left dont do logic

What do you want to criticise about Islam?

Do you have any specific criticism about any subject that is not debated or criticised within Islam?

Loads of Muslim people condemn every attack, it's just never heard about that much. If people I actually wanted to find examples of Muslims condemning terror attacked,, they would able to, but many a people aren't interested in a doing that because it doesn't suit their agenda.

Of course there will be some who don't and blind eyes are turned, but this is in no way exclusive to Islam.

I think we need to work even harder to prevent the radicalisation.

This starts from the beginning. Faith schools have no place any more.

Radical mosques and hate preaching? We need more action.

It's tricky though as part of me worries that following this religion to the letter, which is a requirement of the religion itself, requires violence. If you are a disenfranchised young man, and are fed this stuff constantly, you will start to think driving cars into people is a good idea.

Modern Islam in Britain. What does it mean and what should it mean?

She is forgetting that much of the radicalisation has taken place in this country. Places like Finsbury park mosque in the 90s

By immigrants such as Abu Hamza.

Again, we don't know that the Muslim population is keeping 'shtum' about it do we? The police aren't going to go shouting it from the rooftops if Mr Khan from the Karachi Market rings up their local plod to tell them young Abdul has been coming out with some very dodgy views lately are they?

Short of mass repatriations monitoring, prosecuting and keeping the moderate Muslim community vaguely on side is the best way forward?

Yes end radicalisation- on the right as well

No.

I used to live near gatwick. There was a raid there of a ginger Islamic extremist that had lived here his while life.

I am serious. They are living amongst us. Not just immigrants.

You can't compare serial killers and terrorists, except that they both cause people to be murdered! One thing about serial killers listed were they were caught

You can't compare serial killers and terrorists, except that they both cause people to be murdered! One thing about serial killers listed were they were caught

What's the difference between a rampage serial killer that got killed and another rampage serial killer that got killed?
One is white - mental health problems
Other is black and muslim - terrorist

EnormousTiger - The article writer's sadness has nothing to do with the poor people mown down and stabbed. It's all about their opinion. The article doesn't even mention the incredible bravery of PC Palmer.

I rather think the writer of the article is more pleased about this horrific, brutal, and disgusting attack than saddened. It gives her the opportunity to grab attention away from the events and onto themselves. Because it's all about her. And look at us bickering on here. It has worked.

Multi-culturalism is hard, but it is working. It's an ongoing thing. This country is better for having people of different cultures, of different abilities, of different genders. That's why this country is the best there is. The countries that don't have the diversity of society that we have are worse. We are better off for having it. But it's difficult to make it work - that's why it is ultimately worthwhile.

We haven't had a major terrorist attack in this country for nearly 12 years. Two days ago, Martin McGuinness died. He was directly, or indirectly, responsible for the deaths of dozens, if not hundreds of people in the Northern Ireland Troubles. Think back to the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. There were bombs and atrocities carried out on a monthly basis, even weekly sometimes, and McGuinness was behind some of those. McGuinness was as radicalised as anyone in ISIS, or the absolute fucker who carried out yesterday's attack. Let's keep a perspective on terrorism - it is the action of fanatics, not a failure of our society.

Back in the 80s, did you ever hear of anyone in the national media calling for the banning of Catholicism? Or demanding that Irish people were all responsible for the IRA's brutality? Or demanding that Irish people be deported, or had constant surveillance? Or demanding that Catholic churches be closed down? Of course you didn't. Because it would be a stupid thing to say.

There was a raid there of a ginger Islamic extremist that had lived here his while life

They target ginger people deliberately.

"We discovered that 76 per cent of white British converts to radical Islam had red hair. In the Daily Mail archives, 69 per cent of white Brits lured into jihadism or the orbit of an extremist preacher were ginger. The number was similar for the Mirror and the Telegraph. The Guardian yielded a full 100 per cent redhead rate for the stories we sampled.

These are extraordinary numbers when you consider that in northern and western Europe, the average incidence of red hair in the general population is 5 per cent. In other words, Islamic extremists reported on by the media are fifteen times more likely than the general population to have red hair."

Someone else using this to spout their hate disguised as concern

insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/22/london-terror-attacks-mean-trump-travel-ban-protesters-need-think-says-nigel-farage

No mention of it being home grown..

THE IDEOLOGY

Is a problem

Yes a lot of it originates from elsewhere so we need to make sure it is not imported and that does involve tight immigration policy.

Muslims in general are not a problem.

Radical mosques and hate preaching? We need more action.
The Gov want to inspect madarasses but there is opposition:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35252469